@Johnny T. and any one else interested in doing real fire/flame, I just came across this video on YouTube which has to be the best example of a realistic flame job I have ever seen, this guys approach so random and unplanned as I personally think it should be, I would would advise watching this from start to finish with not skipping whatsoever, listen to what the guy says and notice not a single stencil used anywhere and because of that this job is a close as anyone could possibly to get to what I would would describe as real flame, despite promising myself never to be foolish enough to ever try flame again, this video has certainly tempted to have at least one try, I reckon to get a good degree of total randomness, this could be done with your eyes closed, I have no idea why I have never seen this guy before but this will change how folks approach flame and help them to produce a convincing attempt, to me over use of stencils simply borders on hot rod stylistic, the video is ten minutes long but I reckon for those serious about, the best ten minutes spent watching anything, damned impressive I say