Iwata hp line or badger sotar

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Does anyone have any experience with both of these brushes. Looking for a dedicated detail brush and was pretty set on a hp-b or hp-sb but after looking the sotar may possibly be a option.

If you had to choose one detail brush that was NOT a micron, which would you choose and why?

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HP-B+ would be my choice (well, it actually is). I have a Sotar; I have 3 to be more accurate. I also have quite a few other brushes, including several Microns. The one brush that gets the most use out of my collection, is for sure my Iwata HP-B+. Just does it all, and does it with the most comfort and reliability that make it a pleasure to use. Good detail, great trigger (with a little tweaking), good or better build quality, and great atomization...
 
I thought my mind was made up but now I am looking at the mp200b or c.
 
Lt4-396 said:
I thought my mind was made up but now I am looking at the mp200b or c.
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both fantastic brushes. My only issue with Olympos is that they have no warranty of any sort, and really zero after purchase support. But, that is another topic altogether ;). I have an MP200B, love it.
 
I'm looking at what looks like an older version of the mp200b, the cup doesn't look like the modern c does and the case looks very dated.
From a small amount of research it looks like the older mp200c series was either of better quality or better manufacturing than the ones manufactured after roughly 2000

Does anyone know what kind of threads the olympos has? I currently run a grex which uses the standard 1/8 bspp threads. Anyone that has an olympos is it the same as badger,paasche,iwata? My guess would be iwata but I would like to be sure.
 
Lt4-396 said:
I'm looking at what looks like an older version of the mp200b, the cup doesn't look like the modern c does and the case looks very dated.
From a small amount of research it looks like the older mp200c series was either of better quality or better manufacturing than the ones manufactured after roughly 2000

Does anyone know what kind of threads the olympos has? I currently run a grex which uses the standard 1/8 bspp threads. Anyone that has an olympos is it the same as badger,paasche,iwata? My guess would be iwata but I would like to be sure.
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If by threads, you are asking about air hose - same as Iwata, Grex, H&S etc... I do not have one of the newer 200c's,. My MP200b is from the early to mid 80's. The newer heads use larger holes (L3), but I actually prefer the older s3 head :).
 
For the price of a new hp-b or sb I can get a a mp200 so I'm leaning more and more to the olympos
 
How would a hp which is hp-100 olympos be better than a micron?
 
Lt4-396 said:
For the price of a new hp-b or sb I can get a a mp200 so I'm leaning more and more to the olympos
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Stick with the Iwata, you will struggle to get the inferior parts needed all too often for the olympos, there are several threads on here discussing olympos, I recommended checking them out before deciding on one:)
 
the Olympos has no real support and according to the threads en reviews on this forum the needles and nozzles are real poor quality the Iwata HP + may not be a micron but it is a solid airbrush with high end parts and with the 0.2 nozzle and needle set up your trigger finger will give you real tight details once you get to know the brush
 
Lt4-396 said:
How would a hp which is hp-100 olympos be better than a micron?
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Don't make that mistake - I have an Olympos HP-100a and 100b, and even an Olympos 200b, and they are NOT the same as an Iwata HP or HP+. Now I will say that the Olympos 200 (not the sp or mp, but just 200b) is a fantastic air brush. Super trigger, and amazing atomization, but the day I need a nozzle or needle for it, I am cooked - as Olympos will not tell you what parts they are. Their advice was to buy another brush so I could take parts off of it, or simply order parts and experiment to see if they fit and/or work- but would give no advice on what to try.

Having been using the brushes since the 80's, I know what parts fit, so I am good if I need to replace something, but I would NEVER recommend this type of customer support to anyone. Period.
 
At least for the microns and 100 series iwata parts are interchangeable.
 
Lt4-396 said:
At least for the microns and 100 series iwata parts are interchangeable.
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Not really as much as you would think - If you are going to use Iwata parts on a Micron, you are best off to replace the entire head, as the nozzles are not the same length. I think you will also find that to be true about the rest of the parts as well... Even the holes in the air caps vary between the Olympos and Iwata brushes, so while the parts do interchange, they do not work the same from one brand to another. Yeah, I have read all the internet stuff too, but I have the brushes here, and I can say that it does not pan out the way I have read that it does...
 
here - two HP series brushes, one Iwata, one Olympos - the theory is that parts are interchangeable.

You will notice that the contour on the Olympos nozzle is much different than that on the Iwata. The hole in the air cap is also larger on the Olympos vs the Iwata, even though in this case the Olympos is a .18, and the Iwata a .2

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Look the in the inside of the air caps, and whoops, they are completely different. The threads on both bodies are the same, but neither air cap will fit on the other brand and function correctly...

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Yea I wouldn't take just a nozzle and switch it, I would change everything out needle,nozzle,nozzle cap. My point is when people say you can't get parts for an olympos that's not really true.

I just don't understand how a hp-b can compare to an older mp200b. If that was the case everyone would save $300-600 and just a hp series instead of a micron.

I'm looking into a mp200b not a hp200b.
 
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My point is when people say you can't get parts for an olympos that's not really true..
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You are not getting parts for the olympos from olympos, you are getting parts from Iwata, so people are right, there are not any Olympos parts out there, you are making a frankenstein airbrush! That could be good with you, but definitely it is an horrible costumer serviCe!

Wich is the point in buying an airbrush from one maker to then get parts from another? just buy an iwata and problem solved!

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Buy what you want - you seem to already have many of the answers worked out ;). I think the information has been laid out pretty plainly for you to see. Is the HP-B a Micron? Nope. Will the HP-B(or B+) do the job for a good majority of people? Well, as someone with personal experience, I would say yes. Everyone seems to think the all mighty answer is a Micron... but, the truth is the answer is to learn to use the tool you have to the best of IT'S capability :).

I should add, though - the MP200B is a fantastic brush. You will be replacing the head with an Iwata, the reason for this will be the long taper of the Olympos needle. The fact that they are so fragile and easily bent. An Iwata needle does not work in an Olympos nozzle... not well, anyway. I have a decent supply of Olympos needles, and I am going through them a pretty decent clip, while i have replaced the needle in my Iwata Micorn once.
 
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