Please help me make up my mind: HP-CP or Infinity?

I would got for the Infinity for one reason. Easy access to the nozzle. With the HP range you have to use a tool to remove the nozzle and a lot of times people overdo the tightening and snaps off the threads. Model paint is not so airbrush friendly as art paints and can be a mission to clean. Easy access to the nozzle makes it easier.
I think thats one reason Herb recommended the Eclipse- it has a similar nozzle design. I do like how easy my Infinity is to deal with and maintain, its one of the reasons I went with it myself!
 
I have both the Infinity and the HP-C. I got the Iwata with suction feed and not the one with a fixed paint cup.
I like both and they serve a different purpose.
I got the Infinity 2in1 and the mini paint cup.
And it is the paint cup the is the biggest difference IMHO. Infinity have interchangeable paint cups with makes cleaning easier. Also when painting models I often have to use a small amount of paint, but several different colors and here the mini paint cup is very nice. I doesn't hold a lot of paint but is easy to clean and it doesn't block your view like a bigger cup does.

Good luck

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I am curious about how they hold up over time. One guy at the shop praised the iwatas but said that the h&s airbrushes are nothing special as they are all the same and they do not last too long. He said that he knows someone who's airbrush stopped working overnight. He said that one day his friend worked with it and the following day he found the nozzle destroyed. Idk if this thing is possible or he was just trying really hard to sell me on Iwatas. (Idk why would he do that tho..because he had no hp-c+ in stock...but he made it very clear that he prefers iwatas). The guy at the first shop seemed a little bit more relaxed...not trying to sell me on anything and actually trying to help me. He didn't praise any one of them. He told me that both are good. That in the many years he sold h&s airbrushes noone complained . (He was selling only h&s and didn't stock iwatas). He also pointed out that both are good but the infinity has interchangable cups and an easier to clean system...and with the 2 in one setup i have pretty much all i need.

What do you think?

Are h&s brushes known to break faster than the iwatas? Or was the guy just trying to sell me an iwata a bit too hard.

How solid are those two compared? I am mainly asking the guys that have both.

When you say paint automatisation what do you mean?

Which one feels snappier and gives me better control so that when i pull back the trigger i will know exactly what to expect.


The guy at the first shop told me that he will get the infinity 2 in 1 setup soon.. and that he can hold it for me so I can try it out and see if I like it. What should I look for when I try it for the first time in my hand? What are the details that I have to pay attention to?

Please give me more info and pieces of advice.


Beat regards!
 
I am curious about how they hold up over time. One guy at the shop praised the iwatas but said that the h&s airbrushes are nothing special as they are all the same and they do not last too long. He said that he knows someone who's airbrush stopped working overnight. He said that one day his friend worked with it and the following day he found the nozzle destroyed. Idk if this thing is possible or he was just trying really hard to sell me on Iwatas. (Idk why would he do that tho..because he had no hp-c+ in stock...but he made it very clear that he prefers iwatas). The guy at the first shop seemed a little bit more relaxed...not trying to sell me on anything and actually trying to help me. He didn't praise any one of them. He told me that both are good. That in the many years he sold h&s airbrushes noone complained . (He was selling only h&s and didn't stock iwatas). He also pointed out that both are good but the infinity has interchangable cups and an easier to clean system...and with the 2 in one setup i have pretty much all i need.

What do you think?

Are h&s brushes known to break faster than the iwatas? Or was the guy just trying to sell me an iwata a bit too hard.

How solid are those two compared? I am mainly asking the guys that have both.

When you say paint automatisation what do you mean?

Which one feels snappier and gives me better control so that when i pull back the trigger i will know exactly what to expect.


The guy at the first shop told me that he will get the infinity 2 in 1 setup soon.. and that he can hold it for me so I can try it out and see if I like it. What should I look for when I try it for the first time in my hand? What are the details that I have to pay attention to?

Please give me more info and pieces of advice.


Beat regards!
Any Airbrush can break if mistreated. Nozzle being destroyed I find really hard to swallow. Unless he left paint in the cup and did not clean the airbrush before storing it for the night.Then there is a chance that the needle dried to the nozzle and he broke it .
It all depends on how you care for an airbrush is to how well and how long it will last. My CS is 12 years old still works like new. My Infinity is now 6 years old and still works good as does my 8 year old Micron . But other then my error I have not had anything just break for no good reason.
So now just pick what you feel you like the looks of being I doubt you have sprayed enough with any airbrush to know what to feel for when testing one.
or buy one of each .

This reminds me so my of the old ford vs chevy .. or Benz vs BMW all the same and all can break down if not taken care of properly .

atomization To reduce to tiny particles or a fine spray. The Iwata Micron series is well known for having about the best atomization . But that also depends on paint , air pressure and air/paint mixing area.

As far as which one feels more responsive That depends on PSI, Paint and it's reduction and building muscle memory.
Nothing is cut and dry when it comes to paint , Shop conditions , paint being used , outside and inside humidity . Lots of factors come into play.
 
You have no experience with airbrushing so anything is going to feel strange. As to which you prefer that is something only you can answer once you have used both for a period of time.
'"h&s airbrushes are nothing special as they are all the same and they do not last too long. He said that he knows someone who's airbrush stopped working overnight. Well that would have to be the biggest pile of poo that I've heard..... if looked after they last, yes you may need to replace the needle/nozzle over time as they are prone to wear - as are all airbrushes !
He said that one day his friend worked with it and the following day he found the nozzle destroyed." again, what a pile of poo !! nozzle don't destroy themselves overnight. he damaged it the day before and didn't realise it.
Atomisation is a description on how fine the droplets are when the paint is sprayed.

Where on the globe do you live ? despite several requests you havent yet provided a proper introduction so we can get to know you.
If we knew where you lived we may be able to steer you to a reputable outlet.
 
I just had a look at his or her IP: Bucharest Romania maybe he/she/it is not being able to translate the answers .
But until you actually start to airbrush and I mean by more then just using it like a mini spray gun to paint a model one or two colors you will not really understand how an airbrush should react .
Many people have already gave you their opinion , But it is you who has to pick what airbrush works best for you and the way you use it.
A lot of folks love their side feed , I am not one of those , Some love their Siphon feed , While I start with a 30 year old siphon feed it was still not for me , And then there are those who love their gravity feed which is where I fit in ,
So now if there is a guy close by you who is willing to let you hold one and use it go do it ... it is like you buying a car with out driving the damn thing.
 
Yeah, I am going to suggest that you stop listening to the sales people trying to sell you an airbrush - because it sounds to me like they are full of bull spit :)

I have three H&S airbruhses, and more than twice as many Iwata's - they are all VERY well made. The head system on the H&S brushes is brilliant, and robust. If someone had one "destroyed" overnight - they must have had a break-in in the wee hours of the morning by someone hell bent on damaging their airbrush. Stuff like that does not happen on it's own.

The bottom line here, and this will be the last I comment on this topic (because without experience, nothing more can really be added) - either brush in question in this thread is a win. You would have to get both, work with them for a while, to decide which is best suited for you - but they are both capable beyond reproach.
 
Don't get too bogged down with nozzle size. An experience ABer can get the same fine line from a variety of nozzle sizes. The more expensive brushes have superior atomisation, meaning you can work at lower pressure for better control which IMO is more important than nozzle size.

A preset handle is pretty pointless on a detail brush. You need to be making a variety of strokes, with varying amounts of paint which is all down to trigger control and the preset handle will get in the way of that. They can be good for getting even coverage over a larger area, but I have never used it, once you are used to the trigger it really isn't needed.

I am an Iwata fan, for performance, reliability and quality I think they are the best, and they are the most popular brand on the forum for a reason. However people say the same about the infinity too, what suits one may not suit another.

Another reason I like the Iwata is because of how it feels in the hand. The weight, balance, trigger position, size feel right to me. I suggest if you are having trouble deciding, you go to a store and actually hold both of them, play with the trigger and see what feels more comfortable and natural.
 
Any Airbrush can break if mistreated. Nozzle being destroyed I find really hard to swallow. Unless he left paint in the cup and did not clean the airbrush before storing it for the night.Then there is a chance that the needle dried to the nozzle and he broke it .
It all depends on how you care for an airbrush is to how well and how long it will last. My CS is 12 years old still works like new. My Infinity is now 6 years old and still works good as does my 8 year old Micron . But other then my error I have not had anything just break for no good reason.
So now just pick what you feel you like the looks of being I doubt you have sprayed enough with any airbrush to know what to feel for when testing one.
or buy one of each .

This reminds me so my of the old ford vs chevy .. or Benz vs BMW all the same and all can break down if not taken care of properly .

atomization To reduce to tiny particles or a fine spray. The Iwata Micron series is well known for having about the best atomization . But that also depends on paint , air pressure and air/paint mixing area.

As far as which one feels more responsive That depends on PSI, Paint and it's reduction and building muscle memory.
Nothing is cut and dry when it comes to paint , Shop conditions , paint being used , outside and inside humidity . Lots of factors come into play.

Well said Herb! One thing to add... anything mechanical will eventually break or just wear out regardless of how well you take care of it; however, the cost of maintenance for an airbrush is minimal.
 
Which airbrush gun is the right one?Which God is the true one?
As many previously said the choice is difficult if you have no experience.I have set some characteristics for my decision.

1. Versatility
In this case, the possibility of changing the nozzles / needles / accessories plays an important role. There are very useful accessories for this series it is like a modular system.

2. Availability of spare parts
I am living in Germany and the producer H & S produces in Germany I will have no problems with spare parts.

3. Operation / performance / durability
In addition to simple operation and disassembly the Precision plays a big role. I love the exact and easy operation of the trigger it makes precise control possible. The body of Evo / Infinity is virtually indestructible. As an example: my Evo is 12 years old and I have changed the nozzle and needle once. The seals are subject to wear and are easy to change.

4. The price
For many, the price comes first. But first should be determined what the gun can be, then the price results. The Infinity offers a very good price / performance ratio. Nozzle costs 10 € needle 12 €.The prices start for single models at about 180 €.

If I have the opportunity to test Iwata pistols then I will do that. Maybe they are better, maybe not? Who knows? ;-)

But more important than the brand of the gun are your own abilities. So practice makes perfect.
 
@Micha der Wolf if you had the opportunity to try out any iwata and especially with your talent, I am 99.9% sure that you would instantly be converted, I had problems with an H&S Evo silverline and after six months of suffering these problems I trashed the brush and disposed of it, im not saying they are bad brushes, I clearly had a Monday model but that left me with trust issues, shortly after that I got my first iwata and from then on I wouldn't buy any other brand :)

For anyone to be able to notice the difference in a high end brush they would haveto have some basic skill and knowledge and you my friend are way beyond that, you deserve the best because you have earned it, your H&S has served you well for 12 years because you treated it with respect in all that time and knew how to look after it so an iwata would be in a good home and serve you just as well:)
 
@Micha der Wolf if you had the opportunity to try out any iwata and especially with your talent, I am 99.9% sure that you would instantly be converted, I had problems with an H&S Evo silverline and after six months of suffering these problems I trashed the brush and disposed of it, im not saying they are bad brushes, I clearly had a Monday model but that left me with trust issues, shortly after that I got my first iwata and from then on I wouldn't buy any other brand :)

For anyone to be able to notice the difference in a high end brush they would haveto have some basic skill and knowledge and you my friend are way beyond that, you deserve the best because you have earned it, your H&S has served you well for 12 years because you treated it with respect in all that time and knew how to look after it so an iwata would be in a good home and serve you just as well:)

Thanks for your assessment! I always ask myself this question and I will decide in September. Then I take part in an event where I have the opportunity to compare. If I am thrilled I could imagine a buy. Until then I'm working with my Evo and Infinity.
Care and maintenance are the key factors that make a gun a reliable tool. And, of course, my finger! ;-)
 
It is funny. Before Iwata took control over the market Badger and Paasche ruled the roost. No Microns or plus this or plus that. The illustration king was the Paasche turbine and the work horse was the VL3. When Iwata first sent Mark Rush the Iwata HP-BCS to test out no one new how things would change. I know because I stood right next to him as he in boxed it and hooked it up. Yes H&S were around but not to many used them where I was. T Shirt artists soon were dropping the Paasche VL for the Eclipse. Then the Microns hit the market along with the Badger Anthem and the Omni 2000. Now its the Micron SB and the HS infinity along with the Olympus Microns. There are a bunch of others that are great depending on what you want to paint. For Shirts give me my CS and My HP-BCS and I will be as happy as a kid in a chocolate factory. If I am painting an illustration give me my HP-B or a Micron and I will wet myself from excitement. Now put a Paasche VL3 in my hand and I can't hardly control it but I would re learn over time if that's all I had to use.

Pick the brush you can afford and that can do the work you want to do. Don't let your mind be scattered all over the place like mine. Pick one and master it until it is an extension of your very soul. Make beautiful art after all it is just paint.


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It is funny. Before Iwata took control over the market Badger and Paasche ruled the roost. No Microns or plus this or plus that. The illustration king was the Paasche turbine and the work horse was the VL3. When Iwata first sent Mark Rush the Iwata HP-BCS to test out no one new how things would change. I know because I stood right next to him as he in boxed it and hooked it up. Yes H&S were around but not to many used them where I was. T Shirt artists soon were dropping the Paasche VL for the Eclipse. Then the Microns hit the market along with the Badger Anthem and the Omni 2000. Now its the Micron SB and the HS infinity along with the Olympus Microns. There are a bunch of others that are great depending on what you want to paint. For Shirts give me my CS and My HP-BCS and I will be as happy as a kid in a chocolate factory. If I am painting an illustration give me my HP-B or a Micron and I will wet myself from excitement. Now put a Paasche VL3 in my hand and I can't hardly control it but I would re learn over time if that's all I had to use.

Pick the brush you can afford and that can do the work you want to do. Don't let your mind be scattered all over the place like mine. Pick one and master it until it is an extension of your very soul. Make beautiful art after all it is just paint.


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The think is I can afford both. At the moment the most important thing for me is which one is going to give me better control as a beginner . From what I've read you can pull the same detail with both of them..I got this...but which one has a better trigger. What do people mean when they say for the H&S Infinity the trigger is a bit spongy?

Best regards!
 
The think is I can afford both. At the moment the most important thing for me is which one is going to give me better control as a beginner . From what I've read you can pull the same detail with both of them..I got this...but which one has a better trigger. What do people mean when they say for the H&S Infinity the trigger is a bit spongy?

Best regards!

The Iwatas are easier to control. With "spongy" they mean that when pressing down for air, you have a smooth travel of the trigger. With Iwata it is a distinctive click between air on and air off. There is no inbetween. Not that you need anything inbetween on and off. I only know one person that actually controls the air by pressing the trigger down a certain amount. It is a very difficult manoeuvre to pull off.
 
The think is I can afford both. At the moment the most important thing for me is which one is going to give me better control as a beginner . From what I've read you can pull the same detail with both of them..I got this...but which one has a better trigger. What do people mean when they say for the H&S Infinity the trigger is a bit spongy?

Best regards!
Buy the Iwata!
 
The think is I can afford both. At the moment the most important thing for me is which one is going to give me better control as a beginner . From what I've read you can pull the same detail with both of them..I got this...but which one has a better trigger. What do people mean when they say for the H&S Infinity the trigger is a bit spongy?

Best regards!
The only way to know what we are saying is BUY A AIRBRUSH (ANY AIRBRUSH ) and use it... You will not have any control when you first start . Just like when you first learned to walk .
Until you buy any airbrush and start learning to do dots , dagger strokes fade and blends . You will not know what any one has said here means.
if you can afford both buy both of them . Because you will still have to learn how to reduce the paint to get the best flow and at what Bar/PSI to use at what reduction.
No you can not just buy an airbrush and just through paint in it and you become an airbrush God . It takes practice and lots of it.
 
The only way to know what we are saying is BUY A AIRBRUSH (ANY AIRBRUSH ) and use it... You will not have any control when you first start . Just like when you first learned to walk .
Until you buy any airbrush and start learning to do dots , dagger strokes fade and blends . You will not know what any one has said here means.
if you can afford both buy both of them . Because you will still have to learn how to reduce the paint to get the best flow and at what Bar/PSI to use at what reduction.
No you can not just buy an airbrush and just through paint in it and you become an airbrush God . It takes practice and lots of it.

I have a distinct feeling of everyone's time being wasted hereo_O
 
I have a distinct feeling of everyone's time being wasted hereo_O
Nah sometimes the walls do answer LOL But trying to give advice to someone who has never held let a lone used an airbrush is a royal pain LOL
 
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