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MaryLR

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I received a used Central Pneumatic mini air compressor 95630 kit. Info engraved on the airbrush shows it is rated 60 psi. The nozzle to the airbrush is broken off at the thread connector and the company does not offer parts replacement or even a 60 psi airbrush replacement. I'm not seeing an obvious way to control air pressure on the compressor, though I am researching. Harborfreight has replacement airbrush but info says 30 psi continuous working pressure. Does this mean I need to get a regulator?

I was looking at, Master Airbrush G233-SET Multi-Purpose Precision Dual-Action Gravity Feed Airbrush Professional Set, on amazon. It doesn't state a psi rating but it does say "includes a built-in air flow control valve"

I called support about the G233 and was told it would work fine with my compressor but I'm not confident the rep knew what he was talking about. I came here to ask those with experience for advise | suggestions.

I'm planning to use this for general home craft purposes so don't need a professional set up or expensive equipment.

thanks for any help
 
Hi Mary, looking a more modern version of the kit you got I would suggest that trying to fix or have fixed the set you have would be throwing good money after bad, even if you were find everything necessary to fix it you would fork out more than the set was worth, my advice would be to replace the set completely, I saw a similar set at harbour freight for $84-99, if you dont want or need anything more expensive with this set you would at least know that everything worked with it being new, you would also have some kind if guarantee.

We normally steer folks away from these cheap sets but if it's all you think you need the above is your best course if action in my opinion.
 
Iwata Eclipse CS or BCS . CS= Gravity feed and BCS it siphon feed . The CS comes with a .35 nozzle set up and the BCS has a .5 but you can use the needle and nozzle from one in the other . The will work from 60 PSI (which is usually what you use only on textile painting ) to 10 psi or even lower.
You can check out both at your Local Hobby Lobby :D
I look at it like this you buy good equipment at the beginning and you will find you have less headache and heartache from buying a cheaper set up.
as far as a compressor you list it max's out at 58PSI but that drops to about 20 once you start letting air flow .
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-Qui...Electric-Twin-Stack-Air-Compressor/1000125721 while not as quite as a silent air you can talk over it very easy for indoor useage.
 
Hi Malky and Mr.Micron

Thank you both for your input and sound advice. I would not invest is reviving this setup beyond the cost of an airbrush which could transfer as a second brush to a new setup if I decide this is for me. If the Master Airbrush G233-SET would still need an air regulator then I'll forget trying to put this compressor to use. Would the Master Airbrush G233-SET be compatible without a regulator? What would be the consequences of using a 30 psi brush on this compressor without a means of pressure adjustment? This is a new area for me so please excuse my cluelessness. :)
 
MaryLR said:
Hi Malky and Mr.Micron

Thank you both for your input and sound advice. I would not invest is reviving this setup beyond the cost of an airbrush which could transfer as a second brush to a new setup if I decide this is for me. If the Master Airbrush G233-SET would still need an air regulator then I'll forget trying to put this compressor to use. Would the Master Airbrush G233-SET be compatible without a regulator? What would be the consequences of using a 30 psi brush on this compressor without a means of pressure adjustment? This is a new area for me so please excuse my cluelessness. :)
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The fact that you are asking questions shows you are anything but clueless:)

The compressor was made specifically for airbrush so any airbrush that would fit onto it would work without a problem, as Mr. Micron says, the working pressure will drop anyway.

If we knew a bit about what you want to paint with it, we will know better if you actually need a regulator, for example, if all you want to do is coat craft objects yiu would be ok without it.

Have a look around for other master sets, most of their sets have compressors with regulators already attached which are also very cheap.
 
I got the master set with a tankless compressor,G22 Airbrush, paints and some other accessories for about $100. With a few simple mods on the compressor it works ok now. I did upgrade to a Badger Renegade Krome airbrush. Master 22 paints well but I plan on using more and wanted something for details.
 
"The compressor was made specifically for airbrush so any airbrush that would fit onto it would work without a problem, as Mr. Micron says, the working pressure will drop anyway."

Oh! ok. That sounds good. I didn't want the darn thing exploding on me from too much pressure. LOL. Actually I wondered if the o-rings would blow out. The 30 psi version from harbor freight looks exactly like the original airbrush so I don't understand the difference between them unless the materials they are made of are rated for different psi. Anyway, I've seen where some folks thin out regular acrylic craft paints and I was thinking of fooling around with liquid watercolors. The previous owner of this used it for cake decorating. I like paper crafts and mixed media. I got this compressor for free so thought it would be fun to experiment with. If I like it then I would def. put money into a better setup.

Edit: Malky, under what circumstances would a regulator be required?
 
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Hi markjthomson - thanks for the welcome :)

Thanks Vince Driver :)
 
MaryLR said:
"The compressor was made specifically for airbrush so any airbrush that would fit onto it would work without a problem, as Mr. Micron says, the working pressure will drop anyway."

Oh! ok. That sounds good. I didn't want the darn thing exploding on me from too much pressure. LOL. Actually I wondered if the o-rings would blow out. The 30 psi version from harbor freight looks exactly like the original airbrush so I don't understand the difference between them unless the materials they are made of are rated for different psi. Anyway, I've seen where some folks thin out regular acrylic craft paints and I was thinking of fooling around with liquid watercolors. The previous owner of this used it for cake decorating. I like paper crafts and mixed media. I got this compressor for free so thought it would be fun to experiment with. If I like it then I would def. put money into a better setup.

Edit: Malky, under what circumstances would a regulator be required?
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Almost all airbrushes can handle 80 PSI but most airbrushes never run it that high. 35 and lower unless as I said before you're a T-shirt artist then you run about 60 PSI .
You can buy an inline Mac valve to adjust the pressure lower if needed
 
I pop on to coast airbrush supply and get a Eclipse HP-BCS. They are selling new for 107.01 right now. The CS is 147. As for the compressor I would either get either the compressor that MrMicron suggested or go to Home Depot and get a California Airtool compressor. You will be much happier you did in the long runs and be able to paint anything.


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MaryLR said:
"The compressor was made specifically for airbrush so any airbrush that would fit onto it would work without a problem, as Mr. Micron says, the working pressure will drop anyway."

Oh! ok. That sounds good. I didn't want the darn thing exploding on me from too much pressure. LOL. Actually I wondered if the o-rings would blow out. The 30 psi version from harbor freight looks exactly like the original airbrush so I don't understand the difference between them unless the materials they are made of are rated for different psi. Anyway, I've seen where some folks thin out regular acrylic craft paints and I was thinking of fooling around with liquid watercolors. The previous owner of this used it for cake decorating. I like paper crafts and mixed media. I got this compressor for free so thought it would be fun to experiment with. If I like it then I would def. put money into a better setup.

Edit: Malky, under what circumstances would a regulator be required?
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If you are just blocking in solid colours on objects you wouldn't really need but if you want start doing art projects and you need to get in close to do lines and intricate shapes and such, you will generally use less pressure and thinner paint, then being able to lower the pressure as needed wouod require one, but until you know you wish to continue airbrushing an external inline MAC valve would suffice, MAC stands for micro air control.
 
awesome. Thanks everyone. I know enough now to make an informed decision. Going to think on it some.
 
Welcome from Australia Mary,
Think about what you are going to buy, before you hand over the cash come back and let us know what your are considering, we'll let you know if anything needs changing.
If you are confused by all the different model numbers quoted above eg HP-BS the just stick your hand up, it can take awhile to get your head around all the lingo :D
 
jackEB - Thanks for the welcome! :)

Dr. Micron and Malky both mentioned mac valve. I am considering this airbrush, Master Airbrush G233-SET Multi-Purpose Precision Dual-Action Gravity Feed Airbrush Professional Set. It's a good price range for me for now.

According to what I found on mac valve it looks like the G233-SET has a mac valve built into the quick disconnect. If I got that right then that's a good feature for me. If it operates by releasing air making the compressor run more I think that will be ok because I don't think I'd be doing fine lines as much as broad coverage so valve would be open most of time.

https://www.amazon.com/Master-Airbr...=UTF8&qid=1501192113&sr=1-1&keywords=G233-SET
 
MaryLR said:
jackEB - Thanks for the welcome! :)

Dr. Micron and Malky both mentioned mac valve. I am considering this airbrush, Master Airbrush G233-SET Multi-Purpose Precision Dual-Action Gravity Feed Airbrush Professional Set. It's a good price range for me for now.

According to what I found on mac valve it looks like the G233-SET has a mac valve built into the quick disconnect. If I got that right then that's a good feature for me. If it operates by releasing air making the compressor run more I think that will be ok because I don't think I'd be doing fine lines as much as broad coverage so valve would be open most of time.

https://www.amazon.com/Master-Airbr...=UTF8&qid=1501192113&sr=1-1&keywords=G233-SET
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The mac valve is a fast way to lower the PSI by choking off the air supply , Not by releasing air .
Think of it like a burner know on a store , Wide open big flame but almost closed really low flame . Same kind of thing.
 
"The mac valve is a fast way to lower the PSI by choking off the air supply , Not by releasing air .
Think of it like a burner know on a store , Wide open big flame but almost closed really low flame . Same kind of thing."

I was imagining it working like choking off the air from going in to the airbrush but having some outlet to release air buildup....lol hey what do I know about it. But at least you didn't tell me "no, that's not a mac valve you see on there"
 
MaryLR said:
"The mac valve is a fast way to lower the PSI by choking off the air supply , Not by releasing air .
Think of it like a burner know on a store , Wide open big flame but almost closed really low flame . Same kind of thing."

I was imagining it working like choking off the air from going in to the airbrush but having some outlet to release air buildup....lol hey what do I know about it. But at least you didn't tell me "no, that's not a mac valve you see on there"
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The technical term for that is a "leak" lol. Any sort of regulator works similarly to how a sink faucet works, if that helps?
 
MaryLR said:
According to what I found on mac valve it looks like the G233-SET has a mac valve built into the quick disconnect.
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Having the MAC valve on the quick disconnect as opposed to being on the brush itself is a good thing, it means if you change your brush you still have the air control.
The pressure available from the compressor will always be what you set the regulator on the compressor. you then adjust the pressure that flows through the air brush with the MAC valve.
When you want to set the compressor regulator have the airbrush connected, the MAC valve wide open, hit the trigger and get the air flowing THEN adjust the compressor regulator while the air is flowing. There is always a pressure drop when you press the airbrush trigger so don't be alarmed when you see it drop.
 
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