Olympos 100/200SB (Hybrid) .18 side feed

I've continued working with this Hybrid brush, and have made some changes since I first assembled it. Aside from combining the two brushes, Olympos 100SB, and Olympos 200B, I have since switched the nozzle to an Iwata .18 Micron nozzle, with matching .18 needle. I tested this brush extensively with three nozzle caps - the stock 100SB cap, the 200B cap, and an Iwata HP-B+ nozzle cap. It turns out that the 200B cap produces a very nice, soft spray pattern, and the Iwata HP-B+ cap produced the sharpest details and nicest overall pattern. So, with a Micron needle/nozzle combo, in conjunction with the HP-B+ nozzle cap, this brush now produces results that are the closest to a Micron out of any brush I have tried thus far that is not a true Micron. Excellent performing brush. I get better results with far less tip dry than the standard .18 Olympos set ups and have done away with the long, sensitive needle tips by going with Iwata pieces up front.

I have also done another version of this brush using the nozzle and needle from the old style Iwata HP-B with the new HP-B+ nozzle cap, and this brush too performs excellently.

Can I ask how much it cost you to get there? Just to see if worth to buy and make me one! Thanks

MarcosD said:

Can I ask how much it cost you to get there? Just to see if worth to buy and make me one! Thanks

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It really depends on how you get there - buying two brushes and such, then parts... If you purchased say the Olympos 100SB, a cheap import to scavenge the adjustable spring retainer from, a Micron rear handle, iwata .2 nozzle/needle, and air cap, and new trigger, teflon packing and screw, you would be in at @ $220 for a .2 set up, add another $15 or $20 to do a .18 instead.

The way I got there I wound up with more usable brushes (a total of 6 ) with the average cost being right around $170.

Better write that down for the future when ordering new parts. I got lost a fe seconds after reading it. Of course that could just be my ADD in full onslaught.


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DaveG said:

It really depends on how you get there - buying two brushes and such, then parts... If you purchased say the Olympos 100SB, a cheap import to scavenge the adjustable spring retainer from, a Micron rear handle, iwata .2 nozzle/needle, and air cap, and new trigger, teflon packing and screw, you would be in at @ $220 for a .2 set up, add another $15 or $20 to do a .18 instead.

The way I got there I wound up with more usable brushes (a total of 6 ) with the average cost being right around $170.

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Ok, What and where do I have to buy to have 6 brushes for $170.-?

MarcosD said:

Ok, What and where do I have to buy to have 6 brushes for $170.-?

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You buy 1 hp100sb, 1 hp100a-a, 2 200b irregular grade, 1 PZ408, 1 PZ180, 1 mp 200 handle, 4 nozzle caps, 4 nozzles, 4 needles, 4 needle packing with teflon, 2 F1 triggers, and one needle cap - (I had one left over for another build, so you may need to actually order 2 - although you could buy none, and use the crown caps from the 200b's). After you assemble everything, you get rid of the two PZ brushes in that back of your desk drawer, subtract the 44 dollars they ran, and then divide the rest you spent by 4 for each of the brushes you have sitting on your desk, and you should come up with @ $172.50

This sounds very similar to my Paasche Vs... buy 3 airbrushes, $200 worth of parts, then end up with 3 very pretty airbrushes that don't spray worth a crap!

DaveG said:

I've continued working with this Hybrid brush, and have made some changes since I first assembled it. Aside from combining the two brushes, Olympos 100SB, and Olympos 200B, I have since switched the nozzle to an Iwata .18 Micron nozzle, with matching .18 needle. I tested this brush extensively with three nozzle caps - the stock 100SB cap, the 200B cap, and an Iwata HP-B+ nozzle cap. It turns out that the 200B cap produces a very nice, soft spray pattern, and the Iwata HP-B+ cap produced the sharpest details and nicest overall pattern. So, with a Micron needle/nozzle combo, in conjunction with the HP-B+ nozzle cap, this brush now produces results that are the closest to a Micron out of any brush I have tried thus far that is not a true Micron. Excellent performing brush. I get better results with far less tip dry than the standard .18 Olympos set ups and have done away with the long, sensitive needle tips by going with Iwata pieces up front.

I have also done another version of this brush using the nozzle and needle from the old style Iwata HP-B with the new HP-B+ nozzle cap, and this brush too performs excellently.

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Well DaveG,

I did the conversion on my Frankenbrush and a stock 100SB that you knew I had knocking around. The results were quite noticeable as I did best sprays before and after. The Frankenbrush 100/200 was mod'ded with the GSI 770 needle and fluid nozzle and is awful close to a Micron now and is more than happy to pull super thin lines and will go reasonably low on psi to 15 and still spray tight and fine. I found the best results were at higher psi (close to 28psi).

As for the stock 100SB, this one got the Iwata HP-B fluid nozzle, needle and nozzle cap and is at where my Iwata Eclipse is in going fine but still good for larger areas. It will go quite fine but not to the level as the Frankenbrush 100/200. I'm giving thought to doing the GSI 770 needle/nozzle mod to the Olympos SP-B and take it the rest of the way to hitting the Micron sweet spot. I also discovered a great and easy way to polish my needles in seconds! Get your butt to the beauty supply store and get a 3in1 nail buffer sanding stick and you will be amazed how easy it is! Use a drill and polishing compound- yeah right!!

Still a work in progress, but getting closer and closer - Olympos HP100SB/Iwata .18 Hybrid. I've replaced the trigger/air valve, and needle spring with hand wound items for a more personalized "feel" for the controls. I am now experimenting with nozzle cap openings to find a size that works perfectly with an Iwata Micron .18 nozzle and needle on this build. More details on this diddy coming.

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DaveG said:

The only difference at this point between the hybrid and a 200, like the (HP) 200B is the diameter of the air passage through the brush body. Using the more restrictive 200's air cap, and nozzle combination, I would estimate that difference to be negated, and would indeed say you are assembling a 200 series side feed brush just as they would be at Olympos if they offered one.

That being said there are several "levels" within the 200 series line - like the (HP)200, SP200, and then the MP200 - this build would be the bottom tier 200 - as I have said before, I have had the (HP)200B (purchased as an irregular "b" grade) for quite some time. The brush works exceptionally well. It is soft, small, and atomizes very fine - small detail work is it's game. Not quite as fine as a Micron, but close - I put the hybrid 100/200 build right in line with the same performance as the 200b's I have been using.

If thinking in terms of Iwata brushes, I would place the hybrids performance between the HP-SB+ and a Micron.

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The irregular HP 200B how irregular is it, what is it that makes it of lesser quality than a regular ones. Olympos is very closed about the details of their airbrushes. I kind of understand a little, with all their models and commonality of threads they would be answering questions all week long. Add in their poor translation skills I could not think of a more hair pulling experience

palk said:

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The irregular HP 200B how irregular is it, what is it that makes it of lesser quality than a regular ones. Olympos is very closed about the details of their airbrushes. I kind of understand a little, with all their models and commonality of threads they would be answering questions all week long.

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Olympos is closed and gone, have been for a LONG time. The guy that owns the inventory now just doesn't care enough to answer questions - at least that is the way I see it. Virtually every other AB maker on the planet will give you a parts list with numbers - but, it is company secret for Olympos

The only "irregular" I have found in the "irregular"s I have ordered has been a bit of a roughness, or a hitch in the trigger motion. A file seems to fix it right up .

DaveG said:

Olympos is closed and gone, have been for a LONG time. The guy that owns the inventory now just doesn't care enough to answer questions - at least that is the way I see it. Virtually every other AB maker on the planet will give you a parts list with numbers - but, it is company secret for Olympos

The only "irregular" I have found in the "irregular"s I have ordered has been a bit of a roughness, or a hitch in the trigger motion. A file seems to fix it right up .

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Thanks DaveG I have been watching them for a while on their website and wondered what could be up with them weather it was something repairable or a catastrophic machining error
And I understand all care no responsibility

I've purchased several of the "irregular" grade brushes. Had planned on buying more till I found out how non-supportive the "company" was gonna be after sales, so abandoned the idea I had, at the time.

They were all useable upon delivery, and anything I did find "wrong" with them was really down to personal preference. Like i mentioned, the triggers tended to have a rough spot, or hitch to them. The slots in the brush body seem to suffer from some chatter marks on one side, so if applying uneven pressure to the trigger button, they will drag against the chatter rather than slide on a smooth surface.

While they do work well at lower pressures, I have always found that for me, the Olympos .18 spray pattern remains a little soft in comparison to Iwata. A line pulled with the Olympos will look softer and a bit pale compared to the same paint used through an Iwata .18 - so I converted my Irregular "B's" to Iwata nozzles, and different air caps -