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Discussion in 'General Airbrush Discussion' started by J000seph, Mar 30, 2018.


  1. J000seph

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    I found a Russian site discussing this:

    http://www.unrealtech.ru/topic/3840-отзывы-аэрографа-iwata-hp-th-hiline/

    I have PS-290, PS-264A and Iwata HP-BH, in terms of build quality and user-friendliness, the materials are identical. On the nozzle and all the tips are interchangeable (PS-264A and HP-C plus). Before buying, read the bourgeois forums, there was written something like that Medea and GSI are part of the same corporation, the production of parts for Tamiya, Richpen, Iwata, Mr Hobby in one plant (if I'm not mistaken). Sorry topic was lost ((
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    This Russian guy may be on to something, early Olympos airbrushes say “Medea” on them and the paperwork.
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    Joseph, early Olympos brushes were imported and sold by Iwata "Medea" to the States - that is how the Micron became the Micron... When Olympos closed production, Iwata secured a licensing deal to produce their own version of the Micron - before that, they were all Olympos brushes that came with the then "Medea" Iwata branding. Now it would be Anest Iwata... I think you need to take this conversation, and combine it with the other including information about Kitakatsu Seiki. Anyone with a mind to, can walk into the business, and contract an airbrush to be made. It seems to me that they basically have something akin to a "menu" to choose from as far as details, and they will finish the other details according to customer demand - small details like needle and nozzle angle, etc. Olympos, Iwata, Procon GSI, and several others that I have here all have nozzles that are interchangeable in terms of thread size/pitch, yet the contour varies, as do the needle details, and nozzle cap dimensions.
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    That is interesting. I knew that Iwata obtained the Micron patents from Olympos, and that there was some kind of relationship between the two names.

    Your theory about a factory with a menu to order from sounds about right. I see airbrushes made by Badger that are rebranded Sears, Mac tools, etc. Same idea I guess.
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    I'm surprised the juggernaut Iwata would allow any of their competitors to have access to "the menu". It seems so weird to have a single factory making multiple competing brands, and at totally different price points.

    Badger may rebrand some models, but they aren't cheaper. I guess Badger owns T&C, which makes competing airbrushes. Usually you buy a company out and shut them down or have them make your products.

    Also didn't Iwata buy up H&S?

    Who knew the airbrush manufacturing world is so confusing?
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    I even heard on a Coast Airbrush live feed that Iwata makes “some” airbrushes for Tamiya. I would image not the Taiwan/Sparmax ones, but the Spray Works HG brushes and Super Fine brush. So Iwata must still be getting paid..
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    I think you guys would be shocked at the reality of Japanese business models and probably just how little profit they make from something like airbrushes. Its like Canon and Nikon- they make their money selling medical equipment and stuff like that. Cameras are really only there to get their name out to the public.
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    That would explain why airbrushes are not found easily on their websites! Ha. Sounds about right
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    Yeah that's one clue. Iwata's history barely mentions airbrushes at all. They probably make their money selling factory paint spraying equipment or whatever. Now if they had a marketing/distribution deal with Olympos, and suddenly Olympos went under, they probably just decided eh what the heck, we'll pick up the brand.

    I remember at one point in the 80s all VCRs were made in the same factory in Japan! And they all looked the same... just different colors and whatnot.
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    Just like every other major spraygun manufacturer.
    Devilbiss, binks, iwata, sata. you name it they all have or have had airbrushes. None make them, nor pay much attention to them.
    Did sata ever have a say of who could make h and s designs?
    Does Mac tools have a say over who makes badger designs?

    Doubtful iwata was ever the parent company, they bought some olymlos patents but otherwise they were just another buyer-exporter-rebrander.
    They just so happened to be on top of it at the start of a big airbrush boom.

    Basically all of the patents applicable to Olympus and iwata airbrushes have been expired for some time.

    Although, heres a kicker I recently saw the iwata deluxe handle from the late 90s on Daves Facebook. Which is currently offered on peak airbrushes as the dca, badger owns the patent.
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    Anest Iwata currently owns 591 patents in japan.
    1 is related to an airbrush.
    That is the needle stop knob that has the crown cap holder
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    BTW guys the name on the side of the building in the maps link that was given on daves facebook was Hokushin Seiki
    All I can find on them so far is that Rich is a registered trademark of theirs.

    Is it possible that translate was messing up names? I would have expected that to be what he called beijing seiki
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    Oh, you guys are gonna LOVE THIS!
    https://es.panjiva.com/Hokushin-Seiki-Co-Ltd/35454399
    210 KG of airbrushes....shipped from Hokushin Seiki to none other than Anest Iwata Medea corp
    Tokyo to boston through Long beach
    So there is at least one of, if not the only maker
    There we have it, empirical evidence of a link between Richpen (and thus fuso) and Iwata
    Thanks to @DaveG 's conversation with some random japanese guy
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    I'm also certain that this is somehow related to your conversation @DaveG
    The inventor listed on richpens patents name is
    KITAJIMA KATSUAKI
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    I think you may have solved the mystery
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    Dave did the hard part. Still lots of questions too, but definitely a step forward
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    I would posit that if Hokushin is shipping brushes directly to iwata then that means fuso is just a middle man for one or two brands. Iwata doesnt seem to be going through fuso, at least not entirely. But they are at least getting one or two brushes from this hokushin seiki (richpen) directly.
    I'm sure we could find out more if i actually subscribed to one of these companies that publish bills of lading.
    Luckily the sample happened to be gold.
    Though it wouldnt help with brands like GSI creos, since all we would get was shipping records from GSI to spraygunner.
    Doesnt rule out additional manufacturers
    It does imply a lot more though
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    @Robbyrockett2 Any chance Robert Mueller contacted you about investigation work?
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