Ok, So my room is sitting at around 80* right now, and the 4030+4012 I just tried looks like cottage cheese. The 4030+4020 is pretty bad, but not cottage cheese. And I honestly thought I had a 100% hold on all this. I wonder if 4030 that has been sitting for months, but still runny has lost something in it's make-up that allows it to work with both the reducers. As of right now, it is completely useless to me if I'm using a reducer.