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Discussion in 'Airbrushes' started by jared pittman, Jan 20, 2017.


  1. MarcosD

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    Search H&S factory in youtube, or badge and you will see that you can make a lot of differents airbrush in a very small factory and with only one or two machine, and the engraver you can do it with a simple and inexpensive CNC engraver, without any change mor than a simple txt with the G-Code. And CNC machine are a very old technology. You are just assuming that.
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    I saw Badger production videos. But it doesn't prove much. I'm saying about the technology and similarities of different brands produced at one factory. If you look at Badger's lines of ABs they have also similar features of different models produced at the same time. By saying "at the same time" I don't mean the same day or month, I mean when certain lines (series) of tools are produced. It can be even years till producer decides to change something in produced products.
    Certainly, ABs can be produced from the same blueprints, but I doubt they are produced at the same technology. For instance, I think 50th anniversary C model of Iwata being sold now is the same quality as original C model produced decades ago. It should be better as produced using more advanced technology, if it's produced these days. Japanese technology is definitely changed, it can be seen from old and new airbrushes. I doubt they sell around 30 years old stock packaged in new metal box. I don't have one but those who do could say something comparing it to old C model.

    Here are some other scans from back days.
    BTW Iwata microns appeared in the beginning of 1992, as pronounced in ABA magazine.
    Just for the information.

    Iwata_handles.jpg Med_black.jpg Med_Microns.jpg Ol_Med_add.jpg
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    @Vladimir I really don't undertand what you are trying to say, "at the same time" means exactly that, at the same moment, during the same period, etc. If you are trying to say that they were produced in the same production line and in the same factory, how can assure that? Again you are just assuming due to couple of ads in some magazines?

    @J000seph could you post a picture of both brushes Iwata and old olympos, just the engraved parts taken with the magnifying glass?


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    @Vladimir those are great advertisement pictures!!

    The Olympos I saw that actually said the word "Medea" on it was a MP-200c.

    Cool airbrush history! Thanks!
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    Iwata HP-C (top)
    Olympos HP-100c (bottom)
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    To the naked eye the word "Japan" looks identical. I was very surprised at what I saw under the magnifying glass.
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    Ok, now for the Microns:



    Olympos MP-200c
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    Iwata CM-C+ V2
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    I've said what I'm trying to say:) OK the same time of certain line production, when parts are identical. Hope that clears up what I say.
    I've got old Olymposes and new Iwatas. So what I say is based on my experience. And it's only mine conclusions based on tools and the information I have. What are you trying to say and based on what?
    Adds show time when tools were produced and scans are here to prove those dates and how the tools looked. I don't think companies advertise the products that are not produced and being sold and are available at the time of advertisement. They advertise actual products.

    If you have any information put it here. I would be glad to read it and to raise my knowledge about the products I use. It would be also helpful for other people.

    Above man shows his airbrushes and gives his description. Everything is documented.
    Lettering shows that technology already was improved slightly. So it can be proof that both models were produced at different time. But other parts are the same. So I may be wrong saying they were produced at one time, but we could find that out from the explanations of producer's representatives. I doubt they will do it. Though it would be just great.
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    The date code on my Iwata HP-C is "GG". July 1981

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    I've done some further things to find out about the brands.
    Seems like Olympos then had the same technology for those back days. I've taken pictures of different ABs for micron and hp range of Olympos and and Iwata (4 ABs of each brand). Olymposes are old and Iwatas are relatively new. Each brand shows its quality of engraving. Looks like Olymposes were engraved using manually operated machine and Iwata using digitally operated machine, as the difference in quality is obvious.
    You can see even two A models of Olympos with the difference of 46 airbrushes when being produced (numbers on the bodies) show different quality of engraving using the same technology. It would not be strange to see even two close airbrushes by number on the bodies with different quality as manually engraved they can't be the same. So it's hard to judge on the time of production by the engraving. Engraving could be done even by different technicians, so the appearance of it would vary.
    All Iwatas' engravings look almost identical. Those Iwatas are "new" models within 10 years or so of production, generally last models being produced and sold now.
    Just my thoughts.

    188.JPG 234.JPG iwata_olympos_let.jpg P1011085.JPG
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    The two Olympos brushes that numbers are close are MP & HP?
    I was curious if the serial numbers were all models included in same increasing number, or if each model counted up separately?
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    No, those both are one "A" model (not microns). But you can see that engraving looks different though technology is the same. They both were bought together.
    I don't know if the number shows counting of all produced airbrushes or it shows smth for different series. I'll check all my Olymposes' numbers, maybe something will be found.
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    How do you get 1981? According to the picture GG is july 2007?

    @Vladimir, don't know why you say that old manufacturing technology can't do the same quality as today manufacturing process, because it's not true, the cnc machine as the tig welding and other manufacturing process that people think are new, in fact, they were invented during WWII, in the end of the 70' and beginnings of the 80' Germany an Japan were the leaders in CNC machines, and in that era you could get 0,001mm of tolerance just with a good lathe. The new technology more than precision (speaking of manufacturing process) bring to the industries time, space, cost effectiveness and exactly the same tolerance in all the parts that are been manufactured (you could't get that with handcrafted parts).

    The true is that all this post are based in believes, but not in facts, you have read that and then this, make a couple of connections with your knowledge of tools and took your own conclusions, like every one here (me included).

    MY CONCLUTION witch is only taken from all the written here and my knowledge in manufacturing, is that Olympos AB were handcrafted, then Medea (A Trading company) bought the rights from Olympos and begging to SELL Olympos Medea and slowly IWATA (own company and well equiped factory), then they closed Olympos and begging to manufacture and sell only IWATA witch were made in a machined production line till the actual day. Of course both looks identical because they are made with the same blueprints but not in the same way or same production line, neither at the same time. If you look closely into the pictures in this thread, you will see a lot of differences between them.

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    I assumed that because it is an HP-C classic that it was more likely 1981. Were original HP-C's made in 2007?
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    Aaa, no idea, just curious!! I only know that they are great airbrushes!!


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    The one that started the modern day airbrush revolution :)
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    @MarcosD thanx for constructive contribution!:)
    I'd say that not all is invented means it's implemented.
    You have actual pictures of produced products of different decades. If you know how the machine works you could say us what technology was used.
    You say about the precision of tools, but it's obvious how the engraving looks on old AB bodies and new. The last date for Iwata I've shown is 2015 year of production (V2). Precision between of both brands differs a lot. Also polishing of the bodies is different. Modern Iwatas look perfect, but Olympos is not. Again, it's technologies used then and used now.
    @J000seph states the bodies quality is the same so the technology for treatment them was the same. I've shown actual bodies of two different ABs of one model showing different quality of lettering. We could assume the engraving was manually done.

    We have documented production date code from 2003 till 2014 so it's not possible to judge about production date for all produced ABs before 2003 until we have that code.

    I've bought my first Iwatas from the US. They all come with paper work showing "Iwata-Medea". Now "Anest-Iwta" is engraved on the AB bodies. People who buy new Iwata in the US now could say if ABs come with the paper work still with "Iwata-Medea" or not. If so then it means that the company is only US importer of the tools and Anest-Iwata is owner of the trademark. BTW all my Iwata spray guns show Anest-Iwata on bodies and paper instructions etc. and all of them were produced before the date the engraving "Anest-Iwata" appeared on AB bodies.
    But either owners, producesrs, sellers, deallers or whatever they are not refers much to the thread which is discussed in "new - old".
    @MarcosD you may be right or may be wrong in your conclusion and we can only guess based on the facts we have till the representatives would clear the things up, which I doubt will ever happen.

    @J000seph you're right Olympos started it all!
    They had the biggest AB range ever produced and will be produced I guess. Their design is used these days and microns came from them.
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    Jajaj come on vladimir!!! Invented not implemented, same time not same time!! Jaja you look like my wife always changing what she said!!! Note to my self, never argue with the wife neither with an Ukranian!!! Jaja love u mate!!


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    OK. Invented is not implemented - those were my words. It was you who mentioned CNC machine. That was me who showed engraved old AB bodies. I state that engraving was not done using computer operated technology. Is that obvious? Real photos are above and also your mentioning of CNC. Comparison of tools side by side where CNC is used and is not used is also above.
    How the date of invention of the CNC technology refers to the subject? I've brought the fact that mentioned technology was not implemented at certain factory producing airbrushes at the time when they were produced. We talking here about Olympos. I can't figure out what you're trying to say.

    "Same time is not the same time" are your words, not mine. All I've done is specified my words. "Specify" is not equal to "refuse". I have not refused what I've said. So if you wish, I could repeat my words again.
    What is "time" and "measuring systems" you may refer to wiki. CNC is also there.

    I'm trying to carry on constructive dialog and ask questions. In response I've got thoughts. If you have something concrete on the subject, please proceed. I hope next answers will not refer to social relations and generalization of the nations and other similar answers not corresponding with the subject of discussion.

    If you have proofs I'm wrong in something on the subject (Olympos) I'm open to except them.
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    Some more info about Olympos.

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