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Problems with seeding in the Candy 2.0

Discussion in 'Airbrush Paints' started by Ricky Spanish, Dec 3, 2016.


  1. Ricky Spanish

    Ricky Spanish Needle-chuck Ninja

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    I have been working with Candy 2.0 series and like the results the past couple of times using it. But yesterday went to mix the candy black with the inter coat clear and high performance reducer and it instantly started to seed. It hasn't done this before and the paint has never been frozen or even been cold. The reduction I'm using is 4 parts candy, 3 parts inter coat and three parts reducer with a .5 needle airbrush and I have used this ratio before and have had good results without seeding. The paint is only a couple of months old and I only reduce it on the day when I spray and only save it for 24 hours.My question is why is this paint seeding now and will I have to strain it first before running it through my airbrush. And if I strain it ... Will it start to seed again in the airbrush again. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated
    Thanks
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    Are you seeing this happen in the cup or bottle that your mixing in? or is it on the project that your seeing it.
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    I would only mix 10% intercoat in with the candy. And I would not reduce that much. I find the 4020 the best reducer to use, and does not need alot if going through a .5 needle. I spray mine through a patriot 105 with the fine conversion (I think it's around a 3 plus) at around 35 psi. Give or take on the given day....
    I think running that much intercoat is over powering the candy. Try it at 8 parts candy and 1 part each of reducer and intercoat. Thats a good place to start.
    I haven't tried the black candy yet. I,m intereted in knowing what happens. Do you have a pic?
    Cheers
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    It is happening in the jar when I mix the reducer and inter coat clear. When I first received the paint, it worked great and couldn't be happier with the results. I also over reduce it with inter coat clear just to see what happened and still worked out great( which I purchased from Maple... Great products and even better customer service ;) ) as for the reduction ratio that I'm using with candy and I have experimented with the manufacturer ratio and found it to be too intense.. Likewise I have reduced the marine blue candy to the same ratio as the black, and came out great.
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    You should be using only 10% of the 4030. As well as making the paint more durable, it affects the flow, too much will upset the balance. Use the 4012 reducer for less intense colour, or 4020 for when it is too hot/cold.
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    Hello there
    I have tried the manufacturing specs... And found that the candy came out more intense then I had wanted and experimented with other ratios that have worked great. I had also watched several videos where other artists had used the above ratio with great results. I had also planned on trying some of the 4020 reducer to see if still happens, but I'm now concerned that a reaction may happen mixing a layer of the hp with a layer of the 4020.
    I have one project that I did with the black candy and white pearl, but it was a study and I believe it wasn't one of my best works. I'll look for a pic. But the finished product still looked nice and once clear coated reseambled an old black white glossed photo... And the white pearl gave it a nice appearance in direct sunlight.
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    I'm thinking I should go back to the manufacturing specs and try the automotive reducer , but considering I have used these ratios and over reduced it ( 3 parts candy 5 parts inter coat clear and 8 parts reducer) before without this happening ... Has kinda left me stumped.
    Thank you for responding
    It's always good to hear other people's input
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    I would like to rule out a couple of things :)
    - contamination in the airbrush? residual cleaning product?
    - at what point is it happening is one reducer doing it or it does it with either one (hope that makes sense)

    - have your tried taking 4020 out of the mix and just over-reducing with 4012?
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    The airbrush is cleaned throughly with rubbing alcohol every colour change over and wiped clean with a paper towel and allowed to air dry.
    The same process is used for the mixing jar but it gets a final rinse out with water.
    It would seem that the seeding is happening shortly after the three are mixed. It is not instant but about a minute or to later, and you notice it on the sides of the jar. The first batch that I mixed I didn't even notice until I started to spray and my airbrush got clogged because of the seeding. The subsequent batches I waited a couple of minutes and noticed the side of the jar... I'm thinking there's a reaction occurring ... But I don't know what and why
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    Is it just with that particular colour? If other colours aren't reacting the same, then it might be a bad batch of the candy?
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    I noticed the same thing with mine. It seems to be the clear doing it. Kinda like little flakes form. I just mix the crap out of it with a brush to bust it up. I know exactly what you're talking about. I tried different ratios and it all seems to be the clear. 4020 didn't make much difference either. I too am curious about this...
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    Good call ... I'll mix up a small batch of marine blue today before trying to mix up a batch of black again.
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    Yep I can do that... It won't be till a little later in the day though
    Thanks again
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    The marine blue I have does it. I don't recall if blood red did it. IMAG3159-768x1358.jpg IMAG3160-768x1358.jpg I think it's the clear though.
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    Hmmm, interesting, mine has a black printed label, and says intercoat clear. This one has a green label and is calledmix additive and balancing clear. Looks like they have changed the system. The old one is 10% by volume, but the new looks like 30% for AB.

    I hadn't seen the new tech sheets so thanks for posting @Maple Art .

    Its a little confusing. The old sheet said you must use 4030 for Candy 20, and the new says always 10% or greater. The New for 2016 sheet ( the last one) the Candy section doesn't specify that 4030 must be used as I've seen before, and the 4030 description just says its comparable with all paints. The hard surface guide is saying 30% for AB. I think there should be a little more clarity here, especially if the 4030 is a new recipe and there will be some confusion.
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    I have to agree with you on the confusion part, I will see if I can get some clarity from AutoAir - The "black" label is the first or the old label the green is the new label for the 4030.
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    Glad Im not the only one lol, doesn't take much to confuse my lonely brain cell :p
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    Hope you get this figured out I just bought the New green labeled 4030:D For my candy2.0
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    blackcandyportrait.jpg
    Here's the black and white portrait study i did with the over reduced ratio of black candy on wicked white pearl and was cleared with a 1k acrylic clear coat from a can. I didn't spend a lot of time on it because I was working on a color version with illustration paint (which turned out better,but still wasn't completely happy with) and I wanted to take a break because of issues with color matching (plus I just got the candy in the mail and wanted to try it). Hopefully this helps in giving you an idea of how the candy black looks ( plus it looks different then the swatches that are provided by the manufacturer).

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