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water based clear coat ???

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  1. jackbaza

    jackbaza Young Tutorling

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    Hi Everyone
    Does anyone use water base clear coat ?
    Just watched a video from the Nolan Bike helmet factory and that's what they say they use !
    Any experience / manufacturers recommendations ? ( UK / IRELAND )
    Thanks in advance:)
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    The only automotive quality waterborne clearcoats I know of are PPG aquabase and envirobase. They're pretty new as far as being available to shops but manufacturers have had access for a while. I'm not sure If an individual can even buy it.
    @JackEb Had mentioned some kind of of aerosol acrylic clear supposed to be for auto but I'm not sure what it was.
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    The 2k clears in an aerosol can are pretty good though If you're looking to do that helmet with it.
    If the 2k is not being applied to bare plastic but over the water based paint you were using then it creates no issues with the PC
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    JackEb The Dragon Hunter Staff Member Admin

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    I just used an aerosol 'Acrylic top coat' from the local Automotive shop. you know the kind where you get your wiper blades and smelly trees from :D

    I used it on my 'Indian ball' because it was going to be outside, its new owner decided it was to nice to go outside and it now lives inside in his man cave.

    It covers well, and it is more of a satin/matte finish but i noticed the other day that they now do a Gloss product that has '2k technology' .

    Once your artwork is fully cured you can spray any clear on it you like, just follow the instructions on the can, light mist coat to start, just to create the bond on the paint.

    There are others that do this sort of thing regularly and i'm sure they'll be along shortly to advise. @wickedartstudio may be able to advise better.
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    Sorry, @JackEb I must have mis-remembered that, I had thought it was a waterbase......sounds like it was just an acrylic laquer clear type like dupli-color or the like.
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    I've not used any of the water based clear coats yet. They've been in development for years now, but I'm not sure the technology is as advanced as it needs to be at this stage. I've looked into testing a few that are available now, but the cost wasn't justifiable compared to the 2K products. I have no doubt the industry will be regulated to all water based technology in the future. I'll likely stick with what I know works until I'm forced to use something else, or until demand and availability drives the cost down.
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    There's a video of Craig Fraser buffing some 4040 on a test panel and Createx has some new clear coats coming out, but I still don't think they compare to a 2K for how heavy you can spray it, how quickly it dries, and how resistant to the elements it is.
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    Yeah they actually tell you it's not auto grade.
    Even the auto grade laquers aren't great, I can't think of a project I'd want to use a clear on that doesn't even perform as well as a clear laquer.
    Not sure where createx was going with that one.
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    "Createx Clears are recommended for varied interior and exterior applications, reduce by approx. 5-10% with 4012 High Performance Reducer for best results. Not Suitable For: Automotive , Fabrics where machine wash is required, Fishing Lures & Squid Jigs"

    So from the look of it they can be used on Helmets, just dont expect it to stay put on your vehicle....
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    Or your helmet with rain hitting at 100+ Kmh
    Id consider it an automotive surface
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    True, i didnt consider the speed/rain combination...... could lead to an intersting design on the helmet lol
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    Lol ...especially if you tint the clear first :)
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    Agreed.
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    I used createx gloss clear yesterday. Not good for paper, never again, i'm sure its good for certain things, not paper
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    So what happened?
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    LAID down like crap, it's thick and rubber like texture. Even after I thinned it. Too soft, I'm used to two part clears.
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    This I would like to actually try this on some stuff, despite that;
    I had heard the KBS is hard to spray even even harder to avoid it getting bubbles in it and really hard to sand or buff (which might be a good thing) but to a point where you basically ruined anything not made of metal if you dont get it perfect.
    Also read some reviews saying it clouds up with UV exposure.

    Also, Don't assume its any safer,
    It is every bit as toxic as 2k and has isocyanates and all.

    Still id like to try it.
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    Yeah I wonder about it too. Interesting
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    you have to let it flash off for the amount of time the tech sheet says before applying subsequent coats to avoid getting bubbles, as far as sanding and buffing it took a while but wasn't all that bad and as far as clouding up with UV exposure I haven't had a complaint from the customer I did the 4 wheeler for.

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