Oh by the way, JackEb is a girl
"Guys" is a generic term, if this forum starts getting all politically correct I'm out of here !!
Oh by the way, JackEb is a girl
Depends on how many paint colours you get....You guys are killing me, now I need at least 17 brushes?!
You guys are killing me, now I need at least 17 brushes?!
^ True that !Don’t say that. Once you get your first airbrush you will hate yourself for limiting yourself to only 17.
Why ? I answer to Jack, Jax, Jackster and occasionally I even get called JackieIt was the way he called you "Jack" that made me think some clarification was in order
Cool, I’m glad my rambling made some degree of sense . The smaller compressor for the basement is a great idea. I started with a cheap little compressor with a 3l tank and it worked great. I had to add a small desk fan to help cool it, but once that was there I could paint all day on summer with no problems.You guys are killing me, now I need at least 17 brushes?!
Jack, you make great points. I do actually own a half mask respirator and it was very necessary during my rattle can escapade a few weeks ago. I'm with you on "buy right buy once" at least until you "need" to buy twice, or three times, or..... I have a friend who enjoys bicycling. How many bikes do you need? his wife asks..... "Just one more."
SiRoxx, thanks for the compressor reminder. I understand and I do have a couple of oiled compressors that I could use for the bigger jobs with appropriate traps/filters (and no, I haven't listed them, another oversight on my part). For smaller jobs I'd probably get a small oiless one that I could use down the basement since I suspect my wife, as understanding as she is, might not appreciate 75 feet of hose dragged through the house from the garage and down the stairs. Thanks for the info about the paint coverage you get with the 290 too, I understand (at least I think I understand!).
John
If you’re getting the 290 as well, I would stick with the .35 setup on the Eclipse. You can always buy the extra parts at a later date, but .35 is pretty forgiving for beginners. The .35 CS was my first brush and it behaves fantastically well. Just my 2c’s worth. Shopping list looks sensible, regarding the cleaner, there are paint specific cleaners, but generally any water based cleaner will be fine for water based paints. Your assumption regarding the Transparent issue is correct. They take a lot more coats to reach Opacity.Upon "due and serious deliberation" regarding all of the great advice here I've decided I'm in the market for an Eclipse CS and a PS-290. It's not quite the recommended 17 brush minimum but it's a start. I'm still debating whether a 0.5 nozzle/needle/nozzle cap set for the Eclipse would be worth the money in terms of perhaps being initially more forgiving of rookie mistakes/incompetence or not.
I've created an initial shopping list below and would appreciate any thoughts re critical things I might be missing or, alternatively "What the heck are you buying that for?"
- Eclipse CS (source to be determined, Hobby Lobby has a "combo" with a pistol grip water separator, a small bottle of cleaner, and a couple of paint colors for $149USD and offers instant gratification as there is one about a mile from my house, need to look at other sources/deals.)
- PS-290 - Spraygunner
- compressor (considering either the No-Name brand "Skyline" or "Tooty" from Spraygunner, 1st smaller, 2nd with a larger tank, both rated for same flow capacity)
- air hose - leaning towards braided vs. coiled, can see advantages/disadvantages to both. (PS-290 comes with a hose but I am assuming it is fairly low end)
- Quick connects (not essential but handy) - both the Eclipse and PS-290 seem to have the same 1/8" male thread on the inlet from what I can tell(?)
- Cleaning pot
- airbrush(es) holder
- airbrush cleaner (any clear cut "best brand" or does it totally depend on what paint you choose and best to match with that?)
- Color wheel/mixing guide of some sort (I told you I have a limited number of artistic genes!)
Separately, is there a "best" medium for a complete newbie to practice with initially? I know in the bigger picture I need to pick a type of paint and learn how to set things properly for its specific characteristics but just for starters, what would be a relatively easy-to-learn-the-basics/inexpensive medium to try? Food coloring?
And lastly, as my "inguneering" brain is having a hard time with this concept, I see paint manufacturers have "opaque" and "transparent" colors. Opaque I get, but what does a "transparent" color actually mean? It seems a bit of an oxymoron to me.... I assume that means that the base color will "show through" in a fashion and affect the final color perception? Like a tinted window? a heavily tinted window? depends on how much paint you lay down (which would be the same for an opaque it seems)?
- air hose - as long as it fits and doesnt leak it will be fine..... airbrushes dont use high PSI so the chances of splitting a hose just from normal use is unlikely. The coiled "cobra" style hoses definately work well and they have the added bonus that they wont get stuck under your chair wheel and have you scratching your head as to why your air pressure has suddenly dropped to almost nothing and spend 15 minutes trying to figure out why (Dont ask)Upon "due and serious deliberation" regarding all of the great advice here I've decided I'm in the market for an Eclipse CS and a PS-290. It's not quite the recommended 17 brush minimum but it's a start. I'm still debating whether a 0.5 nozzle/needle/nozzle cap set for the Eclipse would be worth the money in terms of perhaps being initially more forgiving of rookie mistakes/incompetence or not.
Upon "due and serious deliberation" regarding all of the great advice here I've decided I'm in the market for an Eclipse CS and a PS-290. It's not quite the recommended 17 brush minimum but it's a start. I'm still debating whether a 0.5 nozzle/needle/nozzle cap set for the Eclipse would be worth the money in terms of perhaps being initially more forgiving of rookie mistakes/incompetence or not.
I've created an initial shopping list below and would appreciate any thoughts re critical things I might be missing or, alternatively "What the heck are you buying that for?"
- Eclipse CS (source to be determined, Hobby Lobby has a "combo" with a pistol grip water separator, a small bottle of cleaner, and a couple of paint colors for $149USD and offers instant gratification as there is one about a mile from my house, need to look at other sources/deals.)
- PS-290 - Spraygunner
- compressor (considering either the No-Name brand "Skyline" or "Tooty" from Spraygunner, 1st smaller, 2nd with a larger tank, both rated for same flow capacity)
- air hose - leaning towards braided vs. coiled, can see advantages/disadvantages to both. (PS-290 comes with a hose but I am assuming it is fairly low end)
- Quick connects (not essential but handy) - both the Eclipse and PS-290 seem to have the same 1/8" male thread on the inlet from what I can tell(?)
- Cleaning pot
- airbrush(es) holder
- airbrush cleaner (any clear cut "best brand" or does it totally depend on what paint you choose and best to match with that?)
- Color wheel/mixing guide of some sort (I told you I have a limited number of artistic genes!)
Separately, is there a "best" medium for a complete newbie to practice with initially? I know in the bigger picture I need to pick a type of paint and learn how to set things properly for its specific characteristics but just for starters, what would be a relatively easy-to-learn-the-basics/inexpensive medium to try? Food coloring?
And lastly, as my "inguneering" brain is having a hard time with this concept, I see paint manufacturers have "opaque" and "transparent" colors. Opaque I get, but what does a "transparent" color actually mean? It seems a bit of an oxymoron to me.... I assume that means that the base color will "show through" in a fashion and affect the final color perception? Like a tinted window? a heavily tinted window? depends on how much paint you lay down (which would be the same for an opaque it seems)?
Choose a paint system and learn it. Cheap paint sucks.
If you get it at Hobby lobby bring your cell phone and use the hobby lobby coupon good for a few less in cash!Upon "due and serious deliberation" regarding all of the great advice here I've decided I'm in the market for an Eclipse CS and a PS-290. It's not quite the recommended 17 brush minimum but it's a start. I'm still debating whether a 0.5 nozzle/needle/nozzle cap set for the Eclipse would be worth the money in terms of perhaps being initially more forgiving of rookie mistakes/incompetence or not.
I've created an initial shopping list below and would appreciate any thoughts re critical things I might be missing or, alternatively "What the heck are you buying that for?"
- Eclipse CS (source to be determined, Hobby Lobby has a "combo" with a pistol grip water separator, a small bottle of cleaner, and a couple of paint colors for $149USD and offers instant gratification as there is one about a mile from my house, need to look at other sources/deals.)
- PS-290 - Spraygunner
- compressor (considering either the No-Name brand "Skyline" or "Tooty" from Spraygunner, 1st smaller, 2nd with a larger tank, both rated for same flow capacity)
- air hose - leaning towards braided vs. coiled, can see advantages/disadvantages to both. (PS-290 comes with a hose but I am assuming it is fairly low end)
- Quick connects (not essential but handy) - both the Eclipse and PS-290 seem to have the same 1/8" male thread on the inlet from what I can tell(?)
- Cleaning pot
- airbrush(es) holder
- airbrush cleaner (any clear cut "best brand" or does it totally depend on what paint you choose and best to match with that?)
- Color wheel/mixing guide of some sort (I told you I have a limited number of artistic genes!)
Separately, is there a "best" medium for a complete newbie to practice with initially? I know in the bigger picture I need to pick a type of paint and learn how to set things properly for its specific characteristics but just for starters, what would be a relatively easy-to-learn-the-basics/inexpensive medium to try? Food coloring?
And lastly, as my "inguneering" brain is having a hard time with this concept, I see paint manufacturers have "opaque" and "transparent" colors. Opaque I get, but what does a "transparent" color actually mean? It seems a bit of an oxymoron to me.... I assume that means that the base color will "show through" in a fashion and affect the final color perception? Like a tinted window? a heavily tinted window? depends on how much paint you lay down (which would be the same for an opaque it seems)?
I haven’t tried a huge range of different paints, but often “Airbrush Ready” means they’re ready for some people and will need reducing for others. I seem to prefer to work with super thin paint that’s almost on the verge of breaking because it’s so reduced. I’ve never got in with anything straight from the bottle, but I know lots of folks do. Reduction is a very personal thing that will take a while to figure out, but it comes with practice. So what I’m saying is pay attention to application guides, drying times etc, but Reduction suggestions are exactly that... Suggestions.Perfect JackEB, thanks! Soooo... do the com-art paints need reducing or are they air-brush ready? They don't say.
I was hoping basepaint - unfortunately they don't take any coupons on the CS - I had the 40% off one ready to go on the phone but didn't really have an expectation unless someone was feeling very generous (or mistake-prone!)