Createx issues

Here's a recent Q & A video with Createx president Craig Kennedy:






(@1:18) Freezing can change hue.
Thanks for posting. That’s an interesting video, but again, I wish the standard answer wasn’t “add 4030”. Just seems from a lots of folks experience, that 4030 is not at all user friendly.


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I wish the standard answer wasn’t “add 4030”. Just seems from a lots of folks experience, that 4030 is not at all user friendly.

It sounded like from what they were saying is that by adding 4030 the paint goes from being an acrylic paint, to a urethane acrylic paint. Therefore displaying the spray characteristics of a urethane acrylic.

Options are nice. And better for the additive to go bad than your whole batch of paint!! I’ll take it.
 
Going by % can be difficult and doesn’t work all that well when used in the context of water based when airbrushing as it is often reduced more than that.

If you’re using 3 drops of paint, what fraction of a drop of reducer equals 5% ?

This will be on Friday’s test.
 
If you’re using 3 drops of paint, what fraction of a drop of reducer equals 5% ?

This will be on Friday’s test.
Haha, that’s pretty much my point. It’s not a useful tool to measure small amounts for airbrushing. I much prefer using “Parts” either that or I work in multiples of 10. So if a drop is 10% then a small drop is 5% lol.


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It sounded like from what they were saying is that by adding 4030 the paint goes from being an acrylic paint, to a urethane acrylic paint. Therefore displaying the spray characteristics of a urethane acrylic.

Options are nice. And better for the additive to go bad than your whole batch of paint!! I’ll take it.
That’s true and I haven’t had any noticeable issues using a small amount of 4030 in a colour mix, but I’ll be damned if I’ve got it to work consistently in greater volumes like in Candy2o. I’ve tried two different bottles, different pressures, different mix and reduction ratios. I’m still a little stumped.


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It sounded like from what they were saying is that by adding 4030 the paint goes from being an acrylic paint, to a urethane acrylic paint. Therefore displaying the spray characteristics of a urethane acrylic.

Options are nice. And better for the additive to go bad than your whole batch of paint!! I’ll take it.
I tried 4030. Actually I have 2x bottles of it. I loved it.Paint spray nice with it. But...I stopped using it, cause I couldn't find nowhere, how harm full it is. It's some kinda weird stuff according to google when I browsed.
 
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I found this. It says “Poses no inhalation risk”.
Went to grab a boottle of 4030. Few stuff which are inside:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triethylamine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzisothiazolinone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipropylene_glycol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl_ether

I think I wrote it down from a bottle without mistakes, but who would know. I hated chemistry like a kid lol
 
Went to grab a boottle of 4030. Few stuff which are inside:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triethylamine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzisothiazolinone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipropylene_glycol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl_ether

I think I wrote it down from a bottle without mistakes, but who would know. I hated chemistry like a kid lol

Definitely some scary sounding names. But we use things like acetone and alcohol without second thought.
 
I just came across a video on YouTube talking about Createx paint seeding because of over reduction. Supposedly seeding is less likely if using the 4011 instead of the 4012 because the 4012 is more aggressive.

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To clarify, my video you linked refers to seeding issues caused by over reduction with 4012 in the aniline dye based candy2o paints only. In fact, the entire video deals only with the candy2o line. Seeding with dye based candies has been an issue for a very long time with water-based systems and solvent based systems. I was not referring to any of the other Createx products in that video. Having said that, I have experienced instant coagulation in Wicked, Illustration and Auto-Air paints when adding 4012 reducer from a particular bottle. Mixing another batch (same paint) with 4012 reducer from a different bottle worked fine. It appears there could be some inconsistencies between batches... I really don't know at this point. It is very frustrating though!
 
To clarify, my video you linked refers to seeding issues caused by over reduction with 4012 in the aniline dye based candy2o paints only. In fact, the entire video deals only with the candy2o line. Seeding with dye based candies has been an issue for a very long time with water-based systems and solvent based systems. I was not referring to any of the other Createx products in that video. Having said that, I have experienced instant coagulation in Wicked, Illustration and Auto-Air paints when adding 4012 reducer from a particular bottle. Mixing another batch (same paint) with 4012 reducer from a different bottle worked fine. It appears there could be some inconsistencies between batches... I really don't know at this point. It is very frustrating though!

I put a face with a name after posting this video and seeing your name on the paint pal 18 list! Great video, I have watched a few on your channel. The key point I wanted to emphasize was the effects of slower drying reducers in relation to seeding (which you referred to with the Candy2.0), in the hopes of finding a solution for seeding in their pigment based products. From their email response to over reducing they basically said, don’t do that :(

Illustration apparently is the most vulnerable to seeding. My guess is that we may have better luck breaking the rules (by over-reducing) if we use the slowest drying reducer they have that we know of: 5618 CLEANER
 
My guess is that we may have better luck breaking the rules (by over-reducing) if we use the slowest drying reducer they have that we know of: 5618 CLEANER
I've never met a custom painter or airbrush artist that doesn't regularly break the rules. Testing the limits of products is part of what we do. Sometimes we win and sometimes we lose. Manufacturers will always have parameters and guidelines to protect themselves from frivolous warranty claims. Createx is constantly improving (or attempting to improve) their product line. That's one of the main reasons I've remained loyal to them. And their products have been vastly improved over the 13 or 14 years that I've been using them exclusively now. As new technology is introduced, issues will arise. I've had much better luck using the 4011 reducer with all of their products and usually prefer using it.

And thank you for the compliment!
 
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I have some of the Cleaner so I’m going to try adding that to a 4030, Candy2o mix when I get the chance. Just to see how it plays.


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the material data sheets have 4011 and 5618 having the same active ingredients in the same concentration...

Something has to contribute to the 5618 being less caustic and drying more slowly than the 4011. A retarder? Supposedly because of this 5618 causes Createx clears to dry to 10% higher gloss.
 
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