master airbrush question

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Thenamlesuser8

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does anyone use the master airbrushes or have they at any point? (the 30$-esh dolor ones you get in a kit on amazon). they tend to work pretty well for beginners but feel they would do a lot better with some replacement parts, especially the needle and nozzle. problem is i can only seem to find replacement parts on amazon and they are cheap and wear out fast. cant seem to find a manufacturer for master and such. i know they do make top line brushes sometimes. anyway my question is if anyone has ever replaced parts for these cheaper brushes with high quality ones to improve performance and if so what brands and parts do you think would fit them best. currently the only top lone brush i have in my arsenal is the Iwata eclipse hp sbs and i would like to do some custom upgrades on my cheaper ones to get some better performance out of them. anyone have any luck with this?
 
"Master" is simply a brand name added by TCP global to their line of Chinese made brushes. They come from several different manufacturers, as far as I can tell. TCP sell a few replacement part kits with seals and needles (I think, been a while sine I looked). The same brushes can usually be found wearing different names with some poking around.

I don't have many "Master" branded brushes, because they can usually be found cheaper wearing a different name. On other inexpensive Chinese brushes. I have used a better needle in some, like that from an Iwata HP-A or HP-B. On the Iwata CM-C+ clone brushes, myself and plenty of others have used either Micron heads or the head from the GSI Creos 770/771 along with matching needle.
 
DaveG said:
"Master" is simply a brand name added by TCP global to their line of Chinese made brushes. They come from several different manufacturers, as far as I can tell. TCP sell a few replacement part kits with seals and needles (I think, been a while sine I looked). The same brushes can usually be found wearing different names with some poking around.

I don't have many "Master" branded brushes, because they can usually be found cheaper wearing a different name. On other inexpensive Chinese brushes. I have used a better needle in some, like that from an Iwata HP-A or HP-B. On the Iwata CM-C+ clone brushes, myself and plenty of others have used either Micron heads or the head from the GSI Creos 770/771 along with matching needle.
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Thank but any tips on finding the right fitting parts for them. Specifically for the master. I don't emagine all the thread fittings are compatible. I can't seem to find there manufacturer websites. Also whi should we look for when buying needle and nozzles. Iv had some nozzles that flair or and get tip dry after a few uses and others like my hp sbs that are maid of high quality and work like a horse
 
Thenamlesuser8 said:
Thank but any tips on finding the right fitting parts for them. Specifically for the master. I don't emagine all the thread fittings are compatible. I can't seem to find there manufacturer websites. Also whi should we look for when buying needle and nozzles. Iv had some nozzles that flair or and get tip dry after a few uses and others like my hp sbs that are maid of high quality and work like a horse
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You will not find a manufacturers website (because there isn't a specific one). This is the only place you will find replacement parts marketed for the Master - https://tcpglobal.com/pages/airbrush-parts

Things like nozzles flaring, tip dry, and needle issues are more emblematic of user error than quality of the parts. Granted, the parts are pretty suspect, but I have a good number of like brushes that I have had for many years that do as they should. Taking the brushes apart, and constantly cleaning every little bit is a mistake many new users make.
 
DaveG said:
You will not find a manufacturers website (because there isn't a specific one). This is the only place you will find replacement parts marketed for the Master - https://tcpglobal.com/pages/airbrush-parts

Things like nozzles flaring, tip dry, and needle issues are more emblematic of user error than quality of the parts. Granted, the parts are pretty suspect, but I have a good number of like brushes that I have had for many years that do as they should. Taking the brushes apart, and constantly cleaning every little bit is a mistake many new users make.
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I agree with you on all points. But the cheaper brands tend to get more finicky and thus need more cleaning and maintenance. Like i said I don't notice as many problems with higher quality materials so I'm wondering if that can be mitigated with better parts. And thanks for the link. I'll check it out
 
Thenamlesuser8 said:
I agree with you on all points. But the cheaper brands tend to get more finicky and thus need more cleaning and maintenance. Like i said I don't notice as many problems with higher quality materials so I'm wondering if that can be mitigated with better parts. And thanks for the link. I'll check it out
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I guess basically what I'm asking is has anyone ever had any luck switching parts between badger, iwata and master etc to creat a custom brush. If so how would you check to see if the parts are compatible
 
I got your question the first time. The only parts that are likely to fit that are not just more generic Chinese parts will be Japanese parts. The issue is going to be that the Master brushes are made to use an O-ring on the nozzle base, meaning the nozzle post is cut to accept the o-ring. A Japanese nozzle with a thread to match will not have the o-ring gland, so will fit the post poorly. In addition, the nozzles are made to work in conjunction with the nozzle cap. Generally, the nozzle outer shape varies a good bit between a quality Japanese nozzle, and the Chinese stuff- meaning the fit to the exit bore of the nozzle cap will most likely not be great.
 
DaveG said:
I got your question the first time. The only parts that are likely to fit that are not just more generic Chinese parts will be Japanese parts. The issue is going to be that the Master brushes are made to use an O-ring on the nozzle base, meaning the nozzle post is cut to accept the o-ring. A Japanese nozzle with a thread to match will not have the o-ring gland, so will fit the post poorly. In addition, the nozzles are made to work in conjunction with e nozzle cap. Generally, the nozzle outer shape varies a good bit between a quality Japanese nozzle, and the Chinese stuff- meaning the fit to the exit bore of the nozzle cap will most likely not be great.
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all good points to consider.. thanks. guess ill have to do more research before attempting to customer fit parts..
 
Thenamlesuser8 said:
all good points to consider.. thanks. guess ill have to do more research before attempting to customer fit parts..
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It also has to do with needle, nozzle and cap profiles and how they’re positioned in space relative to one another that determines how an airbrush performs. One .3 nozzle can be completely different from another .3 nozzle even if it screws on.
 
Hi Thenamlesuser8,

It's great to have a goal, and tinkering with airbrushes is a thing many do.
BUT
With all due respect, I think your not getting the message.
You keep asking the same question, sometimes phrased differently, now on two different threads.

There are a number of very technically knowledgeable people here that have given you the answer to your question, but you don't seem to want to accept it.

You are in search of improvements to the Master airbrush(s) you have utilizing a different manufacturers parts. We understand that. If someone has gone down this road before and knows part 'x' from manufacturer 'y' will do what you want they have not shown themselves yet.

Very few if any will try to do what your asking. It's a 30 dollar airbrush. Made by various manufacturers.
They will either use it as is, tune it with existing parts, or toss it on ebay and move on.

If you decide to modify a big name quality airbrush there are many people here who have taken the time and spent the money to know what works and what won't.

No disrespect intended or implied, I just wanted to explain to you the unicorn you are looking for will probably not be found here.

-Joe
 
JB said:
@Thenamlesuser8

Well, it looks like I may have been a bit hasty.

Depending on which Master airbrush you have, some of the legwork has already been done.

See here:

Perhaps we both need to use a bit more patience in the future.

-Joe
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The brushes we got into talking about there accept a Micron head and needle as a complete conversion - not just a nozzle or air cap. Compared to the number of available Chinese brushes, there are only a very few that will accept parts allowing them to work as they should. For the Micron style brushes, it can be worth while - for anything else, you would be just as well off to buy a new brush in the price range of the original donor brush, plus the parts you would want to try to add to it.... and then keep moving up the food chain each time you have the urge to try something better.
 
I think this is what Joe was trying to link to! feel free to let me know if it was wrong :)

airbrushforum.org

Does anyone else enjoy modifying thier airbrush?

Hello, Some of these cheaper brushes can benefit from a proper tuning. Things like softer springs, properly tightened or custom packing seal, proper thread sealing, properly polished needle, properly centered nozzle, making sure the nozzle protrudes a hair bit over the air cap, making sure the...
airbrushforum.org airbrushforum.org

Nope, it was a couple of posts above this one, but Joe's link is fixed now, Pesky little . at the end of the link renders it useless 😂
 
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JB said:
Hi Thenamlesuser8,

It's great to have a goal, and tinkering with airbrushes is a thing many do.
BUT
With all due respect, I think your not getting the message.
You keep asking the same question, sometimes phrased differently, now on two different threads.

There are a number of very technically knowledgeable people here that have given you the answer to your question, but you don't seem to want to accept it.

You are in search of improvements to the Master airbrush(s) you have utilizing a different manufacturers parts. We understand that. If someone has gone down this road before and knows part 'x' from manufacturer 'y' will do what you want they have not shown themselves yet.

Very few if any will try to do what your asking. It's a 30 dollar airbrush. Made by various manufacturers.
They will either use it as is, tune it with existing parts, or toss it on ebay and move on.

If you decide to modify a big name quality airbrush there are many people here who have taken the time and spent the money to know what works and what won't.

No disrespect intended or implied, I just wanted to explain to you the unicorn you are looking for will probably not be found here.

-Joe
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yes i posted multiple question only cuss im unfamiliar with the inns and outs of the forum. wasnt sure if i was posting in the right area.. and i can seem what you mean about asking the same questions multiple times. i was just trying to reach people who are familiar with modifying equipment (witch i know has been done) and was hoping they can offer insight into the brand in question. suppose if i want answers ill have to do the old trial and error approach.
 
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