New vintage airbrush

Lee, I am not sure if it is just the forum acting up, or my computer, but I can not see any of the attached images. If I click on them, it just comes up as an error.... That being said, I am sure I know the brush you are talking about. I have looked at them many, many times, but have not actually had one yet. I have seen them with green, black, and silver finished handles. They pre-date the super 63 by a good bit. I will poke around, and see what info I can find, and come back to this thread.


Neither can I, i'm trying to upload them again and update..

Lee
 
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Ok I just got another old Aerograph 'A' non working at the moment but with a little TLC I think it will work ok. Nozzle cap looks like its either broken or has been files off? Not sure.

Just says 'Aerograph Made in England' on the green handle as far as I can see. Will rub some paint on it to go in the letters to make them visible.


Green Aerograph 01.jpg Green Aerograph 02.jpg

Not sure what this screw does, maybe a similar thing to the ring on the newer ones.??
Green Aerograph 03.jpg

Shot from each side, its not in great shape but it's only cosmetic and shouldn't affect the airbrush working.
Green Aerograph 05.jpg Green Aerograph 06.jpg

The Nozzle is either bent over or blocked so most probably unusable but I have a spare fine nozzle from a Super 63 if it fits, and there's a small screw at the end of the air canal. Whats that for??
Green Aerograph 07.jpg


Serial number is quite low 8624
Green Aerograph 08.jpg


A little misshapen around the cup and needs a mega clean but I think it would work ok.
Green Aerograph 09.jpg


Not seen a setup where the trigger return spring is on the end like this but it does not return without it on and without the green handle attached. Needle doesn't look in bad shape, not hooked or bent but some marks on it which will probably polish off.
Green Aerograph 10.jpg

The nozzle cap seems to have either broken off or has been filed flat as it looks like a smooth brass where the nozzle sticks out
Green Aerograph 11.jpg

I've made an offer on an identical model so hoping I get it so I may make a good one out of the two.

Any info on this one @@DaveG ?

More updates as I progress

Lee
 
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Yeah, photo's showing up now. This one is in pretty rough shape compared to some I have seen. I've seen a few with cases that were in pretty fair condition... The screw by the back of the air valve, behind trigger is indeed like the Cam Ring on the Aerograph. It will pull the chucking guide back, to pre-set the needle. Not sure about that screw at the front of the air channel - it may be there simply as a clean out in the event paint got into the body. See what kind of shape the new one is in - you may wind up with a useable one, and a parts pile...
 
Apparently these green ones are AE models. I hope the other one is in better condition as I would like to have a working model. I got a message off the guy who has quite a few AB's inc a lot of Aerographs and he sent me the blueprint of the AE which has helped a little. The screw in the air canal is just like you said, for cleaning purposes. It has a threaded nozzle which I thought was a bonus and with great care I have removed it, however compared to an Iwata nozzle its slightly larger so that's a no go unless you have some work around Dave. He also sent me a pic of the "A" model I got before with the damaged nozzle and cam missing. With that one i'm not sure what I can do to replace the nozzle. He said I may be able to drill it out and use one from a Super 63 but I'm not a machinist so that one is going to be a WIP for the future.


Best pic I could get of the 2 nozzles side by side, Iwata on the left, Aerograph AE on the right

Green Aerograph 12.jpg


The AE blueprint I was sent, Helps a bit but is only really good for identifying parts.

Aerograph AE Blueprint small.jpg


I need 4 hands and magnification to mess about with these lol, I do have a small adjustable jewellers vice I can clamp to my desk to hold it steady while I work on it. Very delicate stuff though.

Lee
 
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I tried but it wouldnt let me add the pic below to the last thread.

This is a pic of the nozzle setup for the model 'A' It looks like the actual nozzle is a push fit as there are no flat sides to put a wrench onto, I think these are the platinum nozzles that need making by a jeweller, which aint going to happen in this day.. Not sure about the brass bit that the nozzle pushes into, is that a thread or just ridges? This is the one he said I may be able to modify by filing down and threading to accept an Iwata nozzle.. I will be honest and say I am scared that I may kill it but I would have a go as long as I have to tools.

He said it may be better to speak over the phone instead of over messenger to explain and discuss how to get them working. I agree and I'm waiting for a reply from him as to when is a good time to chat.

Model A Nozzle.jpg

I haven't got any measurements as it's just a pic, however its probably a similar size to the super 63 nozzles. Hopefully I will find out very soon.

Lee
 
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Had a very long but interesting conversation with a guy called John this evening. Trying to work out what bits i need to get the model A and AE working and how to do it. He has lots of spares so he is going to have a look. Nozzles are a not available so I have to work out if I can tap a thread and use an iwata nozzle in one of them. Unfortunately I need specialist tools to remove the bit that the nozzle fit in so hoping to find out what I need. Ordered some small taps that are hopefully the same thread as the iwata nozzles.

Bonus time, the 2nd Green Aerograph turned up, didn't know it was here until i saw it on the window sill. Have had a quick look and its better than the other one but not sure about the nozzle. Need to get the magnifying glass on it to look for any damage.

Updates asap,
 
Got myself a helping hands magnifier setup so I can have a look at the nozzle in the 2nd green Aerograph. Hopefully getting a bunch of literature about the airbrushes and maybe a few spare parts to get mine running again. For the 'A' model with the busted nozzle ( the one in the pic above ) I need a tool with flats on it to unscrew it a bit like the Iwata nozzle tool I think. I really need to get the dimensions of the nozzle I suppose but the guy John who I spoke to said to get them out is a right pig and that he had to put it in his lathe to put enough pressure on it to undo without burring/damaging the brass flat parts. Any ideas Dave, is this something you have come across before?

Lee
 
yeah, I have a lathe, and that is the way I would go ;) . Keeping pressure on it is the hardest part with such small pieces - so easy to slip, or get off axis, and then things go wrong fast. You may try placing it in boiling water for a few minutes- it could help soften anything that might be gumming up the nozzle threads... and go SLOW.
 
The actual nozzle is an interference fit into that brass holder. So it's the holder I need to remove, unfortunately I haven't got access to any lathes, so Its the tooling I am going to struggle with, even boiling the end to soften it up, it's getting something to fit the brass nozzle holder. Gonna try to get in to see what I can see. Try to figure out how to get a measurement if I can.
 
Ok I have done a bit of measuring, the airbrush opening is 4mm and the nozzle stem is 2mm so i've ordered some stainless tube with 4mm od 2mm id 1mm wall thickness and also some solid 4mm stainless bar that I will be able to drill out to whatever size I need. There's no way I can get a replacement nozzle ( they're apparently hand made from platinum ) so I've got 1.5mm, 1.6mm, and 1.7 mm taps on order so I can attempt to tap a thread to fit an iwata nozzle once I get it out. I think they're 1.6mm but got the others in case. My spare Iwata 0.2 should work fine, if I need smaller I will get a ps770 0.18 nozzle Been trying to get a decent pic of the inside of the airbrush body where the nozzle is however its beating me t at the moment.

Any chance someone with a nozzle tool can take a pic of it 'end on' so I can see the profile please?

Cheers

Lee
 
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nozzle tool, like for an Iwata nozzle? I will take a photo in the morning. Why stainless instead of brass? It may be a bit tough to tap that small.
 
so I've got 1.5mm, 1.6mm, and 1.7 mm taps on order so I can attempt to tap a thread to fit an iwata nozzle once I get it out. I think they're 1.6mm but got the others in case.

Smth among those you have will work for you. Just do not cut full size threads, it should be tight fit of your base and the nozzle. Can't explain how to get that fit, you will understand that through your experiments. Though, it may cost you some cash:)

I've got tool for all japanese nozzles it seems, but don't remember which thread is for certain nozzle. All of them are metric.

Any chance someone with a nozzle tool can take a pic of it 'end on' so I can see the profile please?

What's the nozzle tool?
 
Ok I have done a bit of measuring, the airbrush opening is 4mm and the nozzle stem is 2mm so i've ordered some stainless tube with 4mm od 2mm id 1mm wall thickness and also some solid 4mm stainless bar that I will be able to drill out to whatever size I need. There's no way I can get a replacement nozzle ( they're apparently hand made from platinum ) so I've got 1.5mm, 1.6mm, and 1.7 mm taps on order so I can attempt to tap a thread to fit an iwata nozzle once I get it out. I think they're 1.6mm but got the others in case. My spare Iwata 0.2 should work fine, if I need smaller I will get a ps770 0.18 nozzle Been trying to get a decent pic of the inside of the airbrush body where the nozzle is however its beating me t at the moment.

Any chance someone with a nozzle tool can take a pic of it 'end on' so I can see the profile please?

Cheers

Lee
Do you mean the broken nozzle remover tool Jord? Or the Iwata wrench that looks like a socket rather than the spanner?


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nozzle tool, like for an Iwata nozzle? I will take a photo in the morning. Why stainless instead of brass? It may be a bit tough to tap that small.

The steel tube is to make the tool with Dave. It was late and i may not have explained clearly enough, would it be better to make it from brass? I have some brass rod on order to drill and tap to get the 'feel' before I attempt it on the airbrush.

Thanks for the insight @Vladimir I will be checking the sizes very carefully with a micrometer

Do you mean the broken nozzle remover tool Jord? Or the Iwata wrench that looks like a socket rather than the spanner?

Didn't know there was a broken nozzle tool Si, both would be good..
 
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I’ve got the socket, so can post up some pics now.
I think the “tool” is a Sparmax thing that I’ve seen. I’ll try and track down what website I saw it on.


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Looks interesting.. however i'm interested in seeing the shape of the socket so I can attempt to make one to fit this model A
 
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