Stumped on next AB

[Derekocalypse]

Hello Fellow airbrushanites! I currently face a dilemma w/ my next purchase. I predominantly paint table top miniatures and currently use a Badger 105 Patriot. I am in love with this brush and would like to continue to use and support Badger and was looking for a brush that can do finer detail.I was looking into either a Sotar 20/20 or Renegade Krome. Ive done a fair amount research into the products and its come down to both having the "fine" detail I'm looking for but the paint i will be using comes into question ,Citadel (Games Workshop), Vallejo (game and model color), Reaper Master Series and P3 (privateer press) i understand that the tip has a lot to do with the media being sprayed and worry that the Sotar 20/20 maybe too small for the acrylic medium that is being used , per the chart on Badgers web site its does not seem to recommend acrylics for the Sotar 20/20. also i can't find a good "spay pattern" chart (ie. Sotar 20/20 and Krome spay hair-line....how big is that like actual hair? because that is between 50µm-100µm?). So, if there is anybody who could help out I appreciate it!

 

[Don Wheeler]

Have a look at this page. You can upgrade your Patriot and do some really fine lines. And, it's cheap.

Don

 

[aficionado]

Also a bit of a thread on it here.

 

[AndreZA]

I would go with the other's recommendation of getting the super fine conversion for the 105. Also have a look out for Badger's new line of paints for miniatures. All of it ready for the airbrush.

To get any airbrush to do hairline thick lines takes a bit of know how and tweaking of both the paint and air supply. The finer the line, the thinner the paint and less the air.

 

[KenBadger]

Derekocalypse, normally I'd avoid these threads as anything I say is likely to be seen as spam and/or biased, but as the airbrushes you are considering are both Badger - I'll tell you that both the Krome and the Sotar have the same nozzle/needle specs so they'll have comparable spray performance. They both have nozzles ranging from .21 to .33. The .21 will be more sensitive to proper paint thinning and air pressures. But you can use the.33 at the onset if you desire to reduce the tip dry you contend with when starting in the finer nozzle design airbrushes. The Krome will be heavier - more like a tool - but is well balanced, whereas the SOTAR will feel much like a technical pencil in comparison. In your scale application the cup sizes are not a big factor as the smaller cup of the SOTAR is not a limitation when you're using drops of paint at a time. Both airbrushes have the trigger setting system and the finger/thumb rest. Lastly - I know the SOTAR is on super special through Amazon right now - through Christmas. OK - I've used up my spam limit for the week.

 

[jacksparrow]

your brushes sound great quality for the price Ken, are the finger and thumb rests set up for right handed people, or can left handers like myself use them comfortably as well.
regards
Adam

 

[Strictly Attitude]

Another thing skill thinning of paint and experiance play a big part in detail airbrushing so when you get or upgrade your ab if you don't have intant results don't get frustrated might take a little practice and some time experimenting with your paint to get those super fine lines.

 

[KenBadger]

your brushes sound great quality for the price Ken, are the finger and thumb rests set up for right handed people, or can left handers like myself use them comfortably as well.
regards
Adam

the finger/thumb rest is symetric, so it provides the same feel/comfort for those in their right mind as well as their left.

 

[ad fez]

Derekocalypse, normally I'd avoid these threads as anything I say is likely to be seen as spam and/or biased, but as the airbrushes you are considering are both Badger - I'll tell you that both the Krome and the Sotar have the same nozzle/needle specs so they'll have comparable spray performance. They both have nozzles ranging from .21 to .33. The .21 will be more sensitive to proper paint thinning and air pressures. But you can use the.33 at the onset if you desire to reduce the tip dry you contend with when starting in the finer nozzle design airbrushes. The Krome will be heavier - more like a tool - but is well balanced, whereas the SOTAR will feel much like a technical pencil in comparison. In your scale application the cup sizes are not a big factor as the smaller cup of the SOTAR is not a limitation when you're using drops of paint at a time. Both airbrushes have the trigger setting system and the finger/thumb rest. Lastly - I know the SOTAR is on super special through Amazon right now - through Christmas. OK - I've used up my spam limit for the week.

i can second that... held the sotar at kustom kulture, its a very light really well balanced brush, maybe not as sexy as the krome but feels real nice in the hand

 

[jacksparrow]

Thanks Ken,
will have to look into getting one as I quite often don't know what frame of mind i'm in, and it sounds like your brush has all eventualities covered

 

[Derekocalypse]

Thanks all for the response! This helped out alot. Kenbadger I don't think thats considered spam I asked about Badger AB and who else knows better . The thinning thing i think I've gotten down okay i tend to over thin as opposed to too thick of paint. I was hoping to stay away from hardware swapping as I like to have one brush for priming and base coat and the other for the finer highlighting. Once again you guys rock! Thanks again and here's a quick pic of some models Ive done skin and leather are airbrushed using Patriot 105


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[KenBadger]

Thanks all for the response! This helped out alot. Kenbadger I don't think thats considered spam I asked about Badger AB and who else knows better . The thinning thing i think I've gotten down okay i tend to over thin as opposed to too thick of paint. I was hoping to stay away from hardware swapping as I like to have one brush for priming and base coat and the other for the finer highlighting. Once again you guys rock! Thanks again and here's a quick pic of some models Ive done skin and leather are airbrushed using Patriot 105
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Those minis are beautiful Derekoclaypse. Where are you located? do you attend any of the major wargaing events? would love to meet you if you're at Adepticon or Gencon. Killer work man. Do you hav the info on Minitaire paints? www.minitaire.com it's a paint for doing wargaming figures.

 

[Derekocalypse]

I'm located in Spokane WA and I have not attended the larger cons and tourneys and i have seen use of the new paint line thru watching Les and Chung but have not come around to order any, yet.

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[airbrushingferret]

you know what thats a very good question they keep saying hair line whats a hair line all i can say is i own a badger 150 velocity and infinity the infinity having a .15 mm tip does the finest work it also seems to depend on the paint some color's in same brands work better Thain others. the finest lines i was able to draw so far was with my velocity and badger air opaques also spectra tex white i have been able to get what seems to be hairlike detail but i never measured my guess stick to the krome i have the velocity its seems to be the same gun minus some weaselly differences