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Transparent base in transparent color

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  1. huskystafford

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    This question is more hypothetically. How much trans base is in transparent wicked, for example lets say transparent red?

    Let's say I wanna use opague wicked to get close to transparent wicked. How much would you say there is added to transparent colors? I know question is weird, but I was just wondering. Estimated transparent base by your feeling, not true chemical formula :)
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    Transparent red is more of the pigment properties, it doesn't mean it has more (or less) transparent base in the opaque paint mixture. Pigments can be opaque or transparent due to their abilities for the light to come through them.

    Yes, you can use trans base to get the effect of trans paint using opaque one due to the reason you can control the paint layer saturation. But the pigment itself remains opaque anyway, if it's opaque by its properties. By no means the pigment becomes transparent. It's the mixture that becomes "transparent".

    So your questions aren't weird at all. I think, many people ask the question, at least themselves.
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    Thank you Vladimir for your help with this one.
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    Transparent paints are dye based and opaque are pigment based!!


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    that moment, when I realize I am confused big time lol
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    I think all Wicked Paints are described as “Semi Transparent”, and they can be made more transparent by adding Trans Base.
    I believe that technically speaking the only proper “Transparents” are dye based Candies, but the term is used to describe thinner Pigment based paint that we all refer to as Transparent.
    You’re right, this is confusing lol.
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    I can only speak for the only paint I use : Etac efx paints and those paints are all pigment based a dye based paint will fade in the sun but that is beside the point what matters is that no matter what color you want to make more transparent a transparent base paint is the key even if a pigment is by nature a opaque color it can be used as a "transparent" paint.
    I always add 20 parts trans base to 1 part opaque paint to get the control over it as if it was a transparent paint
    Now to make it more confusing : a transparent paint can never go darker then the pigment that is used in the paint and that is the color you see when you put it in your airbrush cup if that color is red then that is the final color you will get after so many layers to reach max saturation
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    OK, guys. You should read more books about the art you're all involved in:)

    Transparency of the pigment is physical feature and it's relative. They use three type of pigment transparency: opaque, semitransparent, transparent. Though all the types are relative, let's say degree of transparency can be shown like scale of the shades of grey and it would be more complicated then than three types of transparency. Who would understand that?;)

    Ability of the pigment to let the light go through it depends on physical properties of the pigment. Let's say if you look through a piece of colour glass, no matter how thick it is, you'll see through. But if you'll try to look through a piece of steel - no way:) So roughly, the pigments behave the same.
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    That’s what I said lol . Or it’s what I meant anyhow.


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    And to continue this example, the more pieces of colored glass, the darker it gets until you can't see thru it anymore(transparent paint) which means you can go darker than the actual color, and a piece of steel (opaque paint) you get the same transparency (none) after only one piece, so it does reach its color, and you can put 10 sheets together and the color stays the same...if that makes sense...
    This is really a good analogy.
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    Totally agree. Silver powder (metallic) is good example for understanding transparency that it doesn't have.

    Making opaque paint to behave like transparent paint we can only allow the pigment not "to touch" each other in the paint layer, but letting the pigment particles to leave some space between them, so the light could go to the bottom layers of previously applied paint, reflect from there, then go to our eyes and to be understood as colour mixture. But here we should continue talking about the colour wheel;)

    These days many of the pigments are chemical, not mineral like many time ago. Many of them have transparent and semi transparent features. Dyes unfortunately very colourfast, so if using the candies - UV clears only! If used for outdoors and sunlight.
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    I'm gonna try 20 parts trans base to 1 part opaque paint. I needed some starting point, cause I was clueless. Thank you.
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    I have 960ml classic createx transparent base bottle here. I wonder what is the difference from wicked transparent base...
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    4004 trans base is good for all Createx paints....
    Have to change that statement a little...Not sure about the Illustration , maybe some who uses it can chime in....it can even be used for the Candy 2o instead of the 4030. Some have even stated they like it better as a carrier...
    How old is the bottle? I would consider straining it if anything. Could be chunky lol
    Cheers...
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    about 6 months -.-

    edit: I was wondering more in the sense of durability on substrate. I'll give an example, cause my english is kinda klingonish lol

    For example If I use createx classics transparent base with wicked opague on hard surface like alu panel for example, will it have the same durability like if I would use wicked transparent base with wicked opague.
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    ok I am not a createx user who can answer this question but from what I understand is that the createx classic is for T shirt painting like the Etac private stock I know you cant compare both paints but I use the private stock for hard surface so I guess the createx classic would be good for hard surface
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    It is the same. My bottle of trans base has all the logos from the Createx line on the bottle (label)...It is paint without color pigment so it will act the same on your panel as just wicked
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    thx guys for all of your inputs in this thread. This thread developed quite nicely and there's many usefull information.
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    I was asking this question, cause 960ml createx classic transparent base is half the price of wicked transparent base. SO I was wondering, why wicked one is more expensive.
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    Very interesting thread you've started @huskystafford . Idk know if I'm right about this, but I think that wicked transparent base with wicked colors will run smoother than createx transparent base through a small nozzle. Maybe that's why the price difference?
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