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Wicked vs Autoair fight - convince me to use Autoair

Discussion in 'Paints' started by huskystafford, Nov 14, 2019.


  1. huskystafford

    huskystafford Needle chucking Ninja Staff Member Admin Very Likeable!

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    maybe they lowered prices of AA, so they can sell all of their old stock. I wonder if I am on the right path with this one.
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    Mr.Micron Royal pain in the air hose Staff Member Admin Mod

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    While some will say autoair is great I am not one of them unless you are just using it aa a baae coat. But while it is water based I have not found the magic mixture to make it work for me every time. But as with picking an airbrush you will not know if it fits you and how you paint unless you try it yourself.
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    I barely remember when I called...I don't know maybe a year ago or more, I'm sure he said the base chemistry was the same and alot of it had to do with pigment load, and pigment cost. AA having the higher concentrations as well as the more expensive pigments. That's why they were more and had colors Wicked didn't.

    I never understood why they had so many lines all doing basically the same thing.
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    I’m hoping that they behave different even if they are very similar. I really don’t enjoy using Wicked but have found the two Autoair colours I have to be pretty good. Granted they’re Bada Bling Silver and Pearl Magenta, so I have only used them as Base colours, but they flowed nice and maid down pretty smooth.
    Wicked just seems to gum up on me no matter what reducer, ratio or pressure I use.
    The two different Wicked Detail colours I’ve tried would separate in the cup and leave sediment at the bottom of the brush, so again I’m not really a fan of that line either.


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    What are you painting would be the answer, if you’re painting a car then auto air is what you want, if you painting a painting then wicked is what you want, same for the other lines, each has a purpose, the pigments are generally the same but ground differently, illustration colours being a finer grind with a modified carrier
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    Is this something you have confirmed with Createx or some other source of info? So AA has some sort of automobile detecting agent in it that tells it to behave better than if wicked or illustration were used on the same surface?
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    No, you can use all the Createx paints on any surface (with reduction) but they developed each line for a particular reason, illustration is for fine art where you want to use Dru Blair’s techniques (his name is on the bottle and they developed it for his school) Wicked is for fine art without the need to erase. Wicked has a much tuff binder more suitable to metal/plastic as well as paper, it sticks to almost anything. The auto air is not designed for fine art but again with reduction you could use it, auto air is designed to be sprayed through a bigger nozzle like what you find in a paint shop, some of the pigments would clog a micron so not much use for fine art, but again through a .5 Eclipse I’m sure it would be fine
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    Got this from Jackie. I try to stay away from Nutella, but I guess I will break a rule. Doesn't hurt if I have a jar at home just in case.

    husky.jpg

    It doesn't mean I need to eat a whole jar in one try. I can enjoy it very slowly with my personal sticker.

    How cool is that :cool:
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    Maple Art Needle-chuck Ninja

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    If you look at the Tech Sheet from Auto Air (full version can be found here) https://creatextech.com/ you will see that the 4200 Auto-Air series/Auto-Air Fluorescent Colors and the 4300 Auto-Air series all state "same as Wicked" - What I tell my customers is that Auto-Air has different/More shades of colours available then Wicked ,especially in the Pearls/Metallics line of paints... Wicked/Illustration/Auto-Air all have hard surface properties and automotive grade pigments/carriers and lightfastness.

    @Kim McCann : Wicked prices jumped? not here at Maple it's been the same price for a couple of years now...

    @huskystafford .... now I want Nutella :(

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    Thanks for the info.
    I try to stay away from Nutella, cause I am not allowed to eat sweat things. But I guess I need to find somewhere really small spoon. Like the plastic ones, which you get with a small turkish coffee to go. This would work.

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    AA is a thicker paint, suited for large guns like hvlp
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    Not true in every case. I use Wicked and AutoAir, and most of the wicked is thicker.
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    Autoair is definitely an airbrush paint. It certainly can be used in spray guns too, but the Createx data sheets give recommendations for reducing the Autoair Transparents for airbrush. The Semi Opaque range is marketed more towards spray guns. But that too can be used in an airbrush.


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    I didn't say it's not for airbrush. It is, like any other automotive base. AA is dedicated for Spray Guns, but it's the same paint as Wicked. The AA TDS says: "(...), for use as airbrush colors and graphic colors applied with a spray gun".

    The Wicked pigment may be more refined for a smal tip-sizes, but who really know? AA should be thicker out of the factory and cheaper due to material lost while using large spray guns, and not necessery refined pigment. VOC is the same for both.
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    Sorry Barto, I think we have a language issue Buddy. Saying that it’s “dedicated” for spray guns implies that it is specifically or only for spray guns. As it turns out we are saying the same thing.


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    My Wicked (not detail) paints are thinner than transparent AA colors. Did you add some reducer back to the bottle? I have a theory that reducer makes the paint thicker after some time. My illustration black seems thicker, since I put reduced (4012) paint back there. Is it possible?
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    Putting reducer into the bottle is not a good idea. It will set off and wreck the whole bottle. Only reduce what you intend on using. Reduced paint is only good for 24-48 hrs.
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    my wicked red is like pudding... so what is AA? like a brick? :laugh:
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    I've used reduced Wicked a WHOLE lot longer than 24-48 hours. The TDS on 4012 says mixed into paint it has no pot life.

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