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Discussion in 'General Airbrush Discussion' started by Patrick Van Laere, Apr 26, 2018.
is Lanavanguard Synthetic Paper almost the same as Dru's paper?
Can you buy ammonia from a pharmacy or hardware store ?
I don't really know much on this but it seems like most people use the yupo,blair,and lana vangard paper pretty interchangeably
@musicmacd ,@basepaint ,@DaveG are just a few people that come to mind that could give you a better answer there
Though as of late many have replaced all that with terraslate. It's cost prohibitive to get overseas though
This is so far untested but
Toughprint seems to be a uk version of terraslate. https://www.memory-map.co.uk/toughprint
@SiRoxx might be able to tell you a bit more about the toughprint
Probably worth a shot at the price
in the Netherlands I can buy ammonia!
Here is the answer from Dru Blair,
You can use any glass cleaner with ammonia in it. Unfortunately it is the ammonia is the ingredient that breaks down the paint. Without that it isn’t going to work the same.
In the USA the name brand for the window cleaner we use is Windex.
I've been told that there is a similar product in the UK called Glassex.
You may have other brands in your area. – But without the ammonia you will likely be wasting your time.
You are right Jackie , I forgot to post the "Caution measures" thanks for the reminder.
Lanavangard is pretty much just like Yupo. I have seen at least one cover on a Lanavangard pad that has printed on it, "made by Yupo". I have heard somewhere, someone stated that Lanavangard is UV coated, Yupo supposedly isn't... but, who knows. Terraslate is most like Blair Synthetic, in that it feels like it has some tooth to it, as compared to the previous two mentioned. I don't personally consider lanavangard/yupo to be the same as Blair/Terraslate - to me they are completely different animals. Like hot pressed and cold pressed, they are just different...
I believe clear Glassex is same as Windex but without the ammonia, if you can find out what percentage of ammonia is in the Windex you could add it yourself, I think the main bulk of Windex is just a carrier so that pure ammonia isn't being used, if you tried to smell pure ammonia it would burn the membrane out of your nose and even kill you if you had to inhale it for long periods.
I worked for 18 years in the Netherlands as a painter and decorator and the first few years we used ammonia for cleaning, well actually I refused to use it because painters here were banned from using it over 30 years ago, but they used it, it was banned for use by painters in 2011 but still available in supermarkets to this day.
EDIT: just checked, Windex contains 5% ammonia
So wait now we want ammonia in our Windex?
You've already got it, we haven't
thanks for the tip I am going to add a 5% amonia to water myself and try it!
I do not think the glass cleaner makes much difference
But don't try on your Blair paper till you know it works the same
If its meant to sort of have the spritz droplets sort of hang in one place, youll want to put it in the glass cleaner.
The soudium laureth sulfate in glass cleaners makes it have the little bubbles.
With just ammonia water it will be much more likely to run.
Yes, but I bought ammonia free windex...soooooooo
I think I may stick with denatured alcohol for my cleaning. Maybe thin it with a bit of water.
Also household ammonia is only about 10% concentration so you may have to add quite a bit to get the effect If that is what youre adding.
Either or will clean ok
thank you for thinking along, next week I'm going to buy ammoinak and a glass cleaner
and then I get to work with it
Let us know how well it works and what ratios were used.
I’ll have a play with some liquids and the back of one of my blair paintings today and report back
If you buy your ammonia at the decorator's centre (verf groothandle) you'll get a higher concentrate than in the supermarket which will probably get you closer to what you need with your 5%.
Glassex -The original works the same.
And is well available.
Yellow Dastry At the wibra shop. Is also a good alternative