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Discussion in 'Airbrushes' started by Ricktarsprayer75, Feb 27, 2017.


  1. Ricktarsprayer75

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    I posted lately that in the next month or so im going to be adding an airbrush to my arsenal. I was asking about the hpb+ in my orevious posts.
    Ive been using an eclipse hp_cs for the last year and think that i could handle a smaller nozzle/needle size. Im keeping my eclipse and want the new brush for detail ( and cause i like shiny new things).
    Im planning to get the hp-b plus but may even push the boat out to a micron.
    Ive been reading lots of posts on the airbrush section of the forum and have picked up on the fact that createx paints may not be the best for these small nozzle sizes.
    I was planning on getting the dru blair full illustration set soon as well.
    Id like to know if im barking up the wrong tree and that with reduction the createx paints would be fine.
    Im pretty sure ive seen wip where people are using cmcs and illustrations paints or have i imagined it?
    After a year of using wicked and illustration paints, im pretty used to them so i dont want to have to start from scratch with a new line of paints if i dont have to.
    Although i will at some point try other paints i dont want to be forced into it if you know what i mean.
    Bear in mind that ive never used transparent base and will be purdhasing some of that to try as well.
    Any feedback would be most appreciated:thumbsup:
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    I think you would be fine with either brush. The fox I just finished was with a HP-B. Custom microns are sweet brushes but can be very finicky at times. I actually made a trade with my Micron SB for a B plus cash and I have to be honest I have way more controll with the B now. I tried a little fine detail with my CS and had a lot of difficulty. Now of course throw me back on a t-shirt with the CS and I would be fine.

    As for paint I would say to stick with what you know if it is working for you.


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    I've used Createx illustration from the beginning, I had issues (operator error :D) bought E'tac efx, got my confidence going and now I'm back to using the illustration again without 90% of my initial issues. If you use Createx already then you won't have the physical issues I experienced ( mostly reduction issues for me as a newbie)
    If you're serious about a detail brush and using illustration paint then I'd recommend the iwata custom Micron side feed. I have both the cm-b and the cm-sb, both .18 needles but I can use less psi with the SB thereby getting finer lines/detail without issue.
    Createx illustration and the iwata CM-SB is Dru's weapons of choice.
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    Illustration colors will work with anything, as long as you get your reduction process down - some people use them right out of the bottle with .18 Micron's, but I have not been able to master that one yet :).

    I will also throw another recommend in with AB Dreams :), as the HP-B+ is a brush I wind up using as much, if not more than anything else I own. The SB is just as good, if the side feed is desired. Only reason I do not have one right now is that I have purchased quite a few other brushes, when my gut is telling me I should have just purchased the Hp-sb+:laugh:
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    If the illustration paints are ok then the question is which brush.
    I know they both have the same size nozzle but the micron has better atomisation etc.
    I have to weigh up whether i can trust myself with the micron as its expensive and off the shelf spares arent recommended. The hpb seems like the logical step up but while i,ll have the money im wondering if i should go for the micron.
    The micron is double the price but is it double the quality, does the reward outweigh the extra money.
    Im definitely struggling to decide.
    My head says hpb but my heart says micron lol.
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    or i could just get both.......kid in a sweet shop comes to mind.
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    Just checked out your fox ad. I saw it when you first posted the start of it and i thought wow thats some fine detail. The finished pic is amazing. Theres some fine fine lines in there and as you did it with the hpb youve made my dedision harder lol.
    Im not saying ive got your skills... not for one minute but it shows what is capable with that brush.
    Beautiful work that mate:thumbsup::thumbsup:
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    Just to throw a spanner in the works, when I upgraded from the hp-cs, I went micron but a .23 version. It still gives incredible detail, and amazing atomisation etc, etc, but is just that little bit more forgiving of paint. IMO its the perfect combo with the eclipse, although I've never used the hp-b. Though .23 is larger than most detail brushes, it pulls incredible fine lines.
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    I have the HP-B Plus and I LOVE IT! ive sprayed illustrations and wicked through it with no issues. As long as its reduced
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    I think ive made my mind up, i,ll get the hpb+ first then if im feeling generous later in the year maybe a micron.
    But if the hpb meets my expectations i may just stick with that.
    I,ll dip my toe in before diving in head first.
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    You wont be disappointed! It gets some asweome hair line lines!
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    Like Meeshell said, I don't think you will be disappointed either. I have a couple of Microns, and several other brushes with Micron heads, and I use the HP-B+ more than any of the others. Very versatile little brush.
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    just remember to throw the tube of lube in the shed toolbox !! my HP-B+ gave me grief after I lubed the air piston...... I had to replace the o-ring... fiddly job, frustrating.
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    Ive done the same thing with my eclipse.
    Only lubed it once about 3 months ago. Im constantly cleaning it now because it keeps sticking...:cry::(
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    Use just a dab of Vaseline on the top of the O ring where the piston plunger goes in. By a dab I mean almost nun. Supper lube will gum up. Petroleum jelly will not gum up. This was a tip straight from Iwata.


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    I was looking at buying a new brush, after reading this thread I think I'm going to go with the hp-b+, I've been using a bcs and this seems like a good progression to try to get some finer lines, if I can get the paint through it that is:sus::)
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    I have been using that brush for the past year and it is my go to brush above the Micron C+. I love how smooth it runs you just need to be careful when you load up the cup too high. I end up with paint all over my hands. I actually got rid of my Micron SB to get the HP-B. However I would like to get the newer Micron SB V2 to have in my box. The olde one had no teflon packing ring in it. It was that old.


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