I had heard some talk that some of the "new" old stock, might in fact be factory seconds that weren't up to scratch, but hadn't been destroyed?? Who knows. Wish I remembered where I saw that, but when Frank was selling them, I was doing some research to see if it was worth trying to save up for one. Poor finish wouldnt bother me, especially if the price is right, but the softness of parts and poor performance comments in the debate put me off. As with anything else there are also probably fakes out there muddying the water. I would love to try an Olympos from the era it was at its best. Maybe people who are buying them now have expectations that are too high, but my own research (including being advised directly not to bother by someone who's opinion comes with a lot of experience) came to the conclusion that there has been a fair bit of disappointment compared to when they were THE brush back in the day.